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July 20, 2018

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Winter

"TRUMP WILL ROMP IN THE MID TERM."

Quite likely. Given that in many states it will be very difficult for Democrats to vote and Gerrymandering has made Democratic votes occasionally count as only half of that of a Republican.

We never forget that Trump won the elections with 2% less votes than Hillary. So he won, but he does not represent the majority of the Americans that voted.

FIGJAM

@Per "wertigon" Ekström

"What you are saying right now is the old, tired and oft-repeated lie that fundamental Islamists are going to take over the west."

You should follow your own advice, actually read what I wrote and stick to that without interpreting it through your preconceptions and putting words into my mouth.
I didn't talk about Muslim countries and I didn't talk about extremists, I talked about LGBTQ+ rights *in the third world at large*. How do the wayneboreans fare in the 3rd world compared to the West? That was my question.

"if you knew a bit of how migration actually worked instead of giving in to your irrational fears and hatred"

If you knew a bit about how demography actually works instead of going with your feelings and your ignorant leftist dogmas, you would know that all that you see in the West today, all of our progress and hard won conquests, WILL end and with the demographic transformation of our societies ALL of the rest WILL follow. Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world. Quite literally. Demography is destiny.

Winter

@FIGJAM
"I talked about LGBTQ+ rights *in the third world at large*"

Like, say, in Russia or Belarus?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Belarus

FIGJAM

@Winter

"Who employed all the hispanic immigrants? And what party do they vote for? And might that not explain why the existing laws against hiring illegal immigrants are not enforced?"

The elite, both Democrat and Republican, and the corporations, which largely support the Democrat party. BOTH parties in the US are for immigration and have been for quite a bit of time and that explains why it has proven impossible to stop the tide even though that's ALWAYS been what the majority of the population wants. But whatever little political opposition you are able to find, you will find it in the Republican party, not among the Democrats. Trump found, *and is still finding*, a lot of opposition in the Republican party but in the end he became their candidate. He could have never been the Democrat candidate.

I dislike them both, I just dislike Republicans (a lot) less.

"Then, back to muslims."

Back? Do you suffer from the same disease Per "wertigon" Ekström has..?

"The majority of muslims that migrate to the west are fleeing the fundamentalists that you use a a bogey man."

The majority of the Muslims migrating to the West are doing so for *economic reasons* and not fleeing anything.
The ultimate proof is that they isolate themselves in Muslim enclaves and re-create the exact same socio-cultural society you claim they are fleeing from. Have you ever seen polls of what Muslims in the West ACTUALLY THINK on social and cultural issues like LGBTQ+ rights for example..?!?
There are a few who are actually fleeing the most oppressive fundamentalists in their homecountries, yet most of them remain Muslims and we know from direct experience that 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims in the West are MORE radical than their parents.

"The islamophobic right wants the same thing as the fundamental muslims: Ethnic purity."

Most of the "islamophobes" (i.e. those who actually know about Islam, its history and its teachings) just don't want Islam and Muslims in their countries knowing full well where it leads. There are MANY non-white "Islamophobes", the one I like the most for example, I have a truly great admiration for the man, is actually of Middle Eastern origins, Robert Spencer.
Those who want ethnic purity don't need Islam as an argument nor Islam is a particularly good argument for it since Muslims are not a race and Islam is not really linked to any race. There are white Muslims like Cecens, Albanians and other East Europeans and there is an increasing number of white converts in the West.

"On the whole, you seem to believe the Republican propaganda on their word, about everything. You even take their words as gospel about their mortal enemies, the Democrats. To me, that indicates you have an ax to grind yourself."

On the whole, you leftist types are really closed minded, full of assumptions and prejudices (you are as religious as the religious types most of you openly despise, you just have different gods and dogmas) and most of all utterly ignorant on extremely important, very fundamental stuff like how demography works, the differences between the races/groups/populations/ethnicities, how culture is linked to genes and how each culture is the non-interchangeable expression of a given race/group/population/ethnicity.

The unprecedented societal changes going on in the West today will finally catch up to your types more suddenly and shockingly than will to most other people.

FIGJAM

@Winter

"Like, say, in Russia or Belarus?"

Yes, of course, they are not the West.

Are you starting to see how this game works..?
Import Russians or Belarusians by the tens of millions in a Western country and societal attitudes towards LGBTQ+ rights in that country WILL change and they will be curbed.
Import Saudis, Iranians or Pakistanis (or ... this list is a lot longer) by the tens of millions in a Western country and societal attitudes towards LGBTQ+ rights in that country WILL change and the wayneboreans will be tossed out of buildings or hanged in the public squares or lashed in the streets.

Also, your assumptions and prejudices are still going strong: where did I say that I support the *unhealthy* extremes we have reached in LGBTQ+ legislation in the West?

On these matters, I fully support the laws and the societal attitudes and practices in Belarus and Russia and I fully reject the laws and the societal attitudes and practices in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan etc.

Winter

@FIGJAM
"Import Russians or Belarusians by the tens of millions in a Western country "

Which Westrn country, bedides the USA have ever done that?

Winter

@FIGJAM
"Also, your assumptions and prejudices are still going strong: where did I say that I support the *unhealthy* extremes we have reached in LGBTQ+ legislation in the West?"

So, you actually share those opinions with the Iranians and Saudis. Opposite s attract, it seems.

History has a long list of examples that preceeded your prejudices:
From gentry should marry commoners, to interfaith and interracial marriages etc.

People who claim that people who love each other should not be allowe to marry have gotten a rough treatment in literature and history.

Winter

@FIGJAM
"BOTH parties in the US are for immigration and have been for quite a bit of time and that explains why it has proven impossible to stop the tide even though that's ALWAYS been what the majority of the population wants."

"The majority of the population" are all either immigrants themselves, e.g., Melania Trump, or descendants of immigrants, e.g., Donald Trump. You yourself have immigrated into Belarus. So, it seems immigrants want to stop new immigrants from arriving after them.

Winter

@FIGJAM
"There are MANY non-white "Islamophobes", the one I like the most for example, I have a truly great admiration for the man, is actually of Middle Eastern origins, Robert Spencer."

Ethnic purity has nothing to do with skin colour or genetic descent. Some of the biggest islamophobes are Hindu and Buddhist fundamentalists. The fact that you hate a billion people does say a lot about you, and little about these people.

FIGJAM

@Winter

"Which Westrn country, bedides the USA have ever done that?"

None. Why?

Although Poland has recently got 2 million Ukrainian refugees and yet they count for nothing for the European Union who is pushing hard and trying to blackmail Poland into gettin "real refugees" (i.e NON-white economic migrants from Africa instead of whites actually fleeing from a war).
You couldn't make this stuff up.

As for the USA, from its foundation to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 the US has always had a WHITE immigration policy and was founded as and ALWAYS was a WHITE country. The original United States Naturalization Law of 1790 limited naturalization to immigrants who were "FREE WHITE PERSONS OF GOOD CHARACTER".

The true much acclaimed (and rightly so) melting pot and the real "multicultural" success story that the US was, was PAN-EUROPEANISM. That was what made the USA great and unique.

FIGJAM

@Winter

"So, you actually share those opinions with the Iranians and Saudis. Opposite s attract, it seems."

So you actually are unable to understand basic concepts in simple language, it seems.

If you are unable to understand the huge fundamental differences between the laws and the societal attitudes and practices in Russia and Belarus and those in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan and you think that wayneborean and his bisexual polyamorous relationships would fare in Russia and Belarus just as bad as he would in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan there is no point in wasting any more of my time with you (my posts will all end up getting deleted by Tomi's fascist censorship anyway).

"People who claim that people who love each other should not be allowe to marry have gotten a rough treatment in literature and history."

The point of marriage is creating a family and the function of a family is to create the best possible environment to have children and to raise them.
There is no other point in letting LGBTQ+ sexual deviants to formally marry than devaluing the institution of marriage and destroying the nuclear family. Those are the real goals of the leftists.

"The majority of the population" are all either immigrants themselves, e.g., Melania Trump, or descendants of immigrants, e.g., Donald Trump. You yourself have immigrated into Belarus. So, it seems immigrants want to stop new immigrants from arriving after them."

Because of your evident troubles following basic arguments in simple language, I copy and paste here, to make it more easy for you, what I just wrote in another reply:
As for the USA, from its foundation to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 the US has always had a WHITE immigration policy and was founded as and ALWAYS was a WHITE country. The original United States Naturalization Law of 1790 limited naturalization to immigrants who were "FREE WHITE PERSONS OF GOOD CHARACTER".

The true much acclaimed (and rightly so) melting pot and the real "multicultural" and "diversity" success story that the US was, was PAN-EUROPEANISM. That was what made the USA great and unique.

"Ethnic purity has nothing to do with skin colour or genetic descent. Some of the biggest islamophobes are Hindu and Buddhist fundamentalists."

And that's why we should always use the proper terms and not the PC ones, which are just designed to confuse matters and they work great...
For example in India those Hindu "fundamentalists" are of the exact same race as the Muslims they are against, what makes those folks different ethnicities is ONLY religion (and by extension, especially given how far reaching Islam is in its prescriptions, culture).

"The fact that you hate a billion people does say a lot about you, and little about these people."

The fact that you are utterly unable to comprehend what I wrote earlier says a lot about you and little about me.
Or maybe you didn't even read it before Tomi's communist/socialist/national socialist/fascist censorship hit it and you are just going off your assumptions and prejudices.

Whichever the case, here is a repost of a similar post which I found in my cache:

I am an agnostic (born and raised a Catholic, I now recognize the important role religion has for most people but it doesn't have for me), I am not a white supremacist (I don't want whites to rule over anybody else, I just want whites to have a fucking HOME just like everybody else on the damn planet), I am not afraid of foreigners (lived in lots of non-Western countries, my gigs were mostly in the developing world, and generally had a good time pretty much everywhere BUT in Muslim countries, BOTH rich and poor) and I am not a fascist (I hate national socialists and fascists almost as much as I hate communists and socialists since they did almost as much damage).
I am an ex-expat engineer from Italy who has lived and worked all over the world and I know very, very well the differences between the races (or the ethnicities, or the groups, or the populations, or whatever you want to call them) and what happens when the 3rd world moves to the civilized world (whites and North East Asian societies, although the *only* ones welcoming them, and hugely suffering for it, are whites).
What's happening today throughout the West is exactly what I expected and what I have been warning friends and family about for a lot of years...

For these reasons I left the sinking ship that is the West today (we are basically committing *cultural and demographic suicide* and I want no part of this insanity) and I am now living, basically retired at age 44, in Belarus with my (Belarusian) wife and children so personally I will be alright, fuck you very much.

So how about you, who are you and where do you live? Are you actually living the multicultural and "diverse" dream first hand or are you the usual hypocritical liberal moron, spouting ignorant bullshit and preaching to others while living a safe, segregated white life..? Or are you one of the ever growing number of dindus leaching off of "racist" white societies they can't be stopped to get into?

oibur

Trump’s Base Would Pick Putin Over Any Democrat As U.S. President!

Winter

"The point of marriage is creating a family and the function of a family is to create the best possible environment to have children and to raise them."

You could start asking children of same-sex parents about their youth. Given that I really know about same-sex couples, I know they are just as likely to have the "best possible environment". And research supports that. Same sex parents are neither better nor worse parents than heterosexual nor single parents.

"I just want whites to have a fucking HOME just like everybody else on the damn planet"

Eh, and that home cannot be shared with a non-white? Or cannot have non-white neighbours? What makes Whites different from Non-Whites?

"So how about you, who are you and where do you live? Are you actually living the multicultural and "diverse" dream first hand"

I live near Amsterdam. I am white, and I live in a "mixed" neighbourhood, but that is not really a virtue, as almost all neighbourhoods around here are mixed.

Do we live the "diverse dream"? Without getting too personal, I can say that schools are mixed. And I know a public office first hand which employs a few dozen African and European nationalities, as well as Middle Eastern, all faiths, all races, all sexual orientations. All very peaceful.

Winter

@oibur
"Trump’s Base Would Pick Putin Over Any Democrat As U.S. President!"

Obviously. There has been 70 years of peace and prosperity in the West. There is a strong feeling that this is a disgrace and has to end. Putin understand this. He gives his people the war and poverty that they desire and they adore him.

The Alt Right too wants to put an end to the disgrace of Peace and Prosperity. Sure they adore Putin.

Look at FIGJAM. He has everything you can wish for. But he simply cannot stand muslims being free to life near him and therefore, he moves to a developing world dictatorship. Only there he feels safe. (and his wife is home again, that too)

Winter

"For example in India those Hindu "fundamentalists" are of the exact same race as the Muslims they are against, what makes those folks different ethnicities is ONLY religion"

That is why I wrote ETHNIC purity. These different faiths generally go back to ethnic differences. Religion is just a convenient label.

Winter

Btw, I expect Tomi to, rightfully, remove all my comments that are beyond the subject of his post.

oibur

I guess that FIGJAM likes Belarus because Belarus is still a communist country. Belarus still celebrates November 7, has two communist parties, hols congresses of communist party, etc. Also communism gives birth, more than expected by chance, to leaders like dictators, autocrats, fascist, etc.

oibur

"Trump’s Base Would Pick Putin Over Any Democrat As U.S. President!" because Trump (as cult leader) likes Putin. As one can see the Putin favourability went up in Trump's base after Helsinki meeting.

RickO

@ winter
YES...Clinton won by 2.8 million of the popular vote. Take out California and the popular vote is equal. Take out New York and Trump wind by 2.4 million votes. Please understand how the Electoral College works and compare it to other voting systems around the world that do not allow a few populous states to dominate all the minor states.

oibur

The irony is that in a communist country the general population sees the nationalism is an attribute of the communism (that is far left).

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