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February 17, 2017



Wayne: "all tech security has to start with you trusting the company (and likely the government the company must follow)."

Absolutely untrue and very dangerous perpetuation of the sort of BS that kills all efforts to provide options to walled gardens by different businesses.

Privacy is possible and not too difficult, but certainly could be made easier. Open source, anyone?


"Privacy is possible and not too difficult, but certainly could be made easier."

All the experts disagree with you on this. Privacy is only possible if you leave the civilized world.

There are many security blogs that can inform you in this respect.


"Apple has no need of, or interest in, mining your data for profit."

True. But I would like to make the point that Apple DOES want your data. They want your music, your photos, your videos, your message backup, your usernames and passwords, your bookmarks, your notes,...

They want all of that stores to Apple cloud, only usable from Apple devices and paid by month. You're right that Apple will happily keep the data encrypted but they want it nevertheless.

Abdul Muis


My android device NOT showing MORE ads than iPhone. an iPhone using Google to search have the SAME amount of ads showing on the device as android.

Android device using other search engine (i.e. Yahoo, DuckDuckGo) gives google the SAME amount of money as iPhone device using other search engine... (which is nothing...)

An iPhone user play ads supported game sent data to advertiser too...

So your point? Perhaps you should write IN DETAIL so my slow brain can understand what you're saying.....

Per "wertigon" Ekström


Yes, you are correct. Security was not a main concern for Google while developing Android. Neither was iOS concerned with that however.

It is almost guaranteed that Apple has installed a backdoor they are not telling anyone however - due to the U.S. gov.

If not, Trump will be sure to sign the executive order for that to happen.

I have no illusions that Google is in any way better in this respect, but then again, every cellphone is a tracking device - they have to be, else how would you be able to receive calls?

So yeah, privacy and cellphones do not match today. At all. Unfortunately. :(


It seems to me that people are discussing a bit past each other regarding security.

I learned a long time ago that security = authentication + authorization + confidentiality + integrity + non-repudiation. The respective merits of Android/iOS/Blackberry/Windows should be appraised technically within this framework.

As well, the debate Apple vs. Google in re privacy has been going on for as long as these firms promoted their mobile products.

Some years ago, because of a similar discussion elsewhere, I delved into the terms of agreement of Apple and Google regarding what those corporations could do. The basic lesson: there is no material difference between their terms of service.

a) They can do whatever they want with information gleaned about you. "Whatever" is usually hidden behind a weasel expression such as "optimizing and improving services to users".

b) If the government officially asks for any data about you, they will give them to it. This is disclosed as "complying with legal requests from state, law enforcement, and judicial authorities" or the like.

Believing that Apple is not heavily mining data about users of its products and services is sheer naïveté. Of course it is. Just like Google and Microsoft. Probably similarly to Microsoft, Apple keeps the data for its own usage, to fine-tune its own business model of selling hardware and services -- whereas Google's business model is to sell ad space.

When it comes to "resisting" the pressure of the spooks for information -- the Wikileaks and Snowden revelations made it patently clear that large corporations are quite ready to provide whatever the spies want, if this means preserving profits. In mobile, this dates at least as far back as when Blackberry was forced to undermine its own secure messaging infrastructure in several countries upon sanction of being barred from selling there.

In brief, for Android users privacy does not seem to be an issue they should really be concerned about; for iOS users, privacy is not a problem because it is taken care of by virtuous Apple. Both attitudes are pretty consternating.

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