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December 21, 2016



@Wayne Brady
Mentioning examples of failing Android makers is telling only a very small part (may I say distorted version) of the story.

There are now more Android makers than ever, and their number is still growing. You think they all entered the business with no long-term perspective of becoming profitable or even recovering their investments?
Think of all the Chinese brands which started as white-box manufacturers. They will happily live on extremely slim margins. What they however will *not* do, is sell their phones at a loss.

And yet these companies manage to deliver well-designed devices at highly competitive prices across all segments.

HMD is attempting nothing special here that hundreds of other Chinese companies didn't already accomplish.


10 years ago today, Steve Jobs announced the iPhone. I don't think anyone, including Jobs, realized just how significant that announcement would turn out to be.

Abdul Muis


You were manipulating data, then you were drawing a conclusion. Do NOT forget that samsung is #1 & Apple is #2.

Perhaps the profit is NOT enough for your living style, but in China the profit is enough to make those android phone manufacture to survive, and make the more manufacture.


@Wayne Brady
Let's not confuse premium and high-end here.

> Why do you write stuff that agrees with me as if it doesn't?

You can't have it both ways. If you ask, "how are HMD going to fund XYZ?", then the answer is: Duh, same way that Blackview, Cubot, Doogee, Elephone, Jiayu, Oukitel, Ulephone, Umi, Vernee, Zopo and all the others are. Bot somehow you seem to think that this is not possible for HMD.

Then you totally discount the fact that HMD has access to the Nokia brand and engineering.

Then you compare the Nokia 6 to some fantasy in your head and criticize if for falling short of your totally unrealistic expectations. 40 MP sensor and xenon flash at this price point?

Abdul Muis correctly pointed this out already: You only ever seem to unfairly negative about Nokia/HMD, as if you secretly wished for them to fail.


Nokia/HMD has to start somewhere. After the N1 "pipe cleaner" for Nokia design/Foxconn production cooperation, we are now seeing how they scale up their production and distribution capabilities.

So yes, their current aim should be reaching Ulephone etc. levels.

Once that is achieved, they can either decide to branch out internationally (like Meizu), or grow in China for now (like Xiaomi).


"If Nokia 6 had been launched as a Lumia"

Food for thought.

Abdul Muis

Nokia 8 rumors

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi everybody

I'm sure you guys spotted this & discussed it already (am rushing at airport) but just quick note, gosh, stunning numbers. So Nokia 6 will go on sale 19 January in China (only) and Chinese New Year is right at the end of the month this year, so they have just about a week to sell it. And the retailer is taking orders. They have 460,000 orders in first two days. For the mid-price Nokia for China alone. Yeah. Nokia is back.

Tomi Ahonen :-)


Far be it from me to question the numbers there...
...but could it be this is once again similar spinning of the story as Nokia had with "exceptional demand" of Lumias?


Rumors are now that Nokia 8 flagship is going to be a rebranded Sharp Aquos Xx3. The camera would have "Zeiss certified" printed next to it.

Abdul Muis

18.4-inch display with a resolution of 2560×1440 pixels
4GB of RAM
64GB of internal storage
2.2GHz Octa-Core Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chipset
Qualcomm Adreno 540 GPU
12MP main camera with LED flash
12MP of front camera
Android Nougat with Android FIH Edition
4G LTE, Wi-Fi,Bluetooth, Compass, GPS, NFC
Single SIM

Samsung Overlords

Well I supposed the Snapdragon 835 is now out of the options in new Nokia flagship?
"Report: LG G6 won't have Snapdragon 835 because Samsung has claimed the entire initial supply"


That would be an extremely dumb move by Qualcomm, even if SD835 supply is limited by wafer starts. I think Qualcomm cannot afford to anger their other customers, who would shift business to Mediatek (or in case of Huawei, HiSilicon) not only at high-end but also in mid-range.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

Short term, if Sammy hogs all, it's a disaster for everyone else.

Long term (as in, 2-3 years), money will be funneled into alternatives and those will kick Sammys/QualComms ass.

Like Chithanh said: Extremely, extremely, extremely short-sighted and stupid move by Qualcomm (if they did it).

Abdul Muis

The rumors is just rumors.... A way to sell news....

From what my experience in manufacturing Industry, Qualcomm will ask each of the manufacture the number of chip they want to buy (with no refund-condition, no-cancelation) in 1 year, and based on this will set allotment for each company. ex. If Samsung guarantee to buy 100 million SD835 CPU & nokia guarantee to buy 10 million SD835, then samsung will get 10x more in initial delivery compared to nokia.

Abdul Muis

Philippine online retailer Lazada announced that it will start selling the Nokia 6 tomorrow for PHP 18,590 which is about $370.

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