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June 24, 2016

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Dave Barnes

I am pretty sure that Texas does NOT have a legal right to secede from the Union.

Winter

Tomi,

You forgot Bavaria seceding from Germany. That right is still enzhrined in their constitution.

Winter

Truth is trumping your fiction Tomi:

Donald Trump's Brexit press conference was beyond bizarre
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/24/donald-trumps-brexit-press-conference-was-beyond-bizarre/

tz

I miss the downside? Other than Texas is hotter than I'd like and they wouldn't be so friendly to illegals (from the US or Mexico), and it would likely create an independent section to the Canadian border along the rockies.

That the terrorism, rape, pillage, oligarchs in their bunkers, you in the path of radiation or bioweapons is all occuring in Europe, Africa, or Asia. South America might all go Venezuela. But North America sounds like it would be better off.

Winter

Where should I post?

We were all wrong about Trump having filed four bankruptcies

Trump Bankruptcy Math Doesn't Add Up
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bankruptcy-math-doesn-t-add-n598376

There were 6.

Winter

More insights from The Donald

Brexit and Donald Trump Campaign Have More in Common Than Meets the Eye
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/brexit-donald-trump-campaign-common-meets-eye/story?id=40103741

If Trump becomes PotUS, your fiction might very well become fact.

cornelius

Hi Tomi,

You didn't mention the nuclear incident.
Every night, since he was a little boy, before falling asleep, Trump dreamed of pushing the red button. Now he was, oh, so close. He touched the button briefly. US was at war with so many nations and yet, apart from the Texas uprising, no country dared to attack the US. That was very frustrating. Trump wanted a war, a beautiful, tremendous war. What was the point in the gold plated "US" inscriptions on the US' tanks if no enemy would see them (and be impressed by them). He wanted action and he wanted it now. He didn't know where the rocket was headed but it didn't matter. He pushes the button but he can't push the button all the way down. His fingers are too short. He calls Christie but he can't either. His fingers are too fat. Rubio refuses out of spite. Then, Trump's frustration reaches the boiling point. He calls his VP, Maury Povich. Maury was not his first choice. Trump wanted his mentor, Jerry Springer, to be his VP but couldn't convince him to come out of retirement. Anyway, Maury tries to no avail to calm Trump down. A last ditch effort is made by calling Dr. Phil. And he doesn't disappoint. He orders a new red button that is shallow enough and it triggers a nuclear explosion underground in North Korea.

cornelius

@Winter
Wow, I just read the link about Trump's Brexit press conference. Wow! I don't I've read anything so incoherent in a very long time. Was he on drugs?

@Tomi
As tz said, you must include Venezuela somewhere. And I think you should also mention Catalonia and Quebec.

cornelius

I meant to say: I don't think I've read anything so incoherent in a very long time.
And in my other post it's "attack" instead of "attach". Not quite the same I suppose.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi everybody

You guys rock! Wow cornelius that was FAB. And even though you'd want to attach, I did manage to turn that into the more conventional.. attack :-)

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Winter

Clinton regains double-digit lead over Trump: Reuters/Ipsos poll
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN0ZA3KG

cornelius

Trump is in the oval office. He plays tic-tac-toe with himself. He's winning. The army is in a tough tactical situation and he must find a solution. In the past tic-tac-toe has always helped him make good strategic decisions. But this time he's out of ideas. The phone rings almost non-stop. He ignores the phone. He knows it's only bad news from the Texas front. Sarah Palin enters. She looks very concerned.
Sarah: Mr. Trump, the South front is collapsing. The morale of the troops is at catastrophic levels. We must do something. How about a huge rally near the front line? That should fire the army up.
Trump is terrified but he can't show his fear. He puts on his tough, frowning face. He's thinking: "If I go to the front there is a slight probability that I get captured. I can't let this happen. I've worked too hard to build my hero, my winner reputation. If I get captured I won't be a hero anymore. I must find a pretext to not go to the front. I must think fast, I'm already kind of stalling." Suddenly he smiles.
Trump: "I can't. Believe me, I just can't. I have a bone spur that is bothering me tremendously. It's the best bone spur, I'm telling you. Find someone else."
He was about to repeat the same pretext several times, just to buy more time when he's got a great idea.
Trump: Send McCain.
Trump's choice was not random. If McCain is taken prisoner, he'll be one more hero removed from the competition. In addition, with every loss, McCain was becoming less obedient.
His capture would be a good opportunity to get rid of him.

Isceald Glede

One of the results of Scotland's referendum was that they do not talk about the referendum. Talking about it would lead to arguments followed by shouting and hopefully friends pulling the shouters apart and getting them to go home and calm down. In hindsight, the EU referendum should not have taken place with a roughly 50/50 split. We should have waited until the opinions were at least 70/30 either way.

The first reactions I have seen were relief from the exiters and 'what will this mean?' from the remainers. The next results were 30% devaluation of the pound, a 'temporary' ban on online trading of the pound and shouting matches on the internet.

As David Cameron wants to be out of office by October, he is clearly expecting worse and does not want to get blamed for it. Members of parliament were split 70/30 in favour of remaining, so whoever picks up the poison chalice will be facing horrific economic headlines with a house that will not support any of his policies. 48% will blame the next prime minister for everything, and the rest will blame everyone but themselves. Only a half-wit would want to be PM now, so that is what we are going to get. Mr Wit has a choice of sticking with the MPs in office, or begging those same MPs for a vote of no confidence in themselves so he can call an early general election to take place while exiters are hiding from the press to avoid answering questions on that day's financial headlines.

Mr Wit will appoint his biggest rival to negotiate with the EU about leaving. Any proposal will be met with screaming insults from at least 48% of the UK (and howls of laughter from the rest of the EU). Mr Negotiator will get replaced every month until the shouting dies down then we will get someone who ducks all responsibility and hides until the next general election in 2020.

Your worst case humor is not as insane as it could be. Instead of Scotland wanting to be first out of the UK, try London. London was 66% remain. Probably higher today. About a third of London's day time population are commuters. Imagine the chaos when there is a boarder control between the EU City State of London and the rest of UKIP.

Winter

@Isceald Glede
I had a vision. Boris Johnson has a brilliant plan.

He will negociate the perfet deal. The Uk will keep all the advantages of being inside the EU while keeping control of immigration. In return, the UK will implement all EU laws and regulations and will accept the same number of EU immigrants they have now. The UK will also pay for some EU funds.

But the EU will be independent and will not have a say over these EU laws and revulations. This deal will implement the single aim of the leave camp: Keep Britain English. No more foreigners.

This is the same deal as Norway and Switzerland have, they have to abide by laws they cannot influence.

Winter

And here is the think tank that shares my view (or I share their view?):

Britain must take Norway-style deal with EU after historic Brexit vote, says think-tank
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683276/European-Union-EFTA-Norway-EU-referendum-Brexit

"Last year David Cameron said: "Some people arguing for Britain to leave the EU have pointed out a position like that of Norway as a good outcome.

"Norway pays as much per head to the EU as we do, but of course they have no seat at the table, no ability to negotiate."

And Ukip leader Mr Farage said: I don't want a Norwegian deal – I believe in a new British deal that suits the needs of our own country.""

Winter

Note how Farage has difficulties with the concept of negotiations. Which sounds a lot more likely than assuming this is part of a brilliant negotiation tactic:

"I believe in a new British deal that suits the needs of our own country.""

I believe there is very little the UK can bargain with. They cannot even threathen to stay if they do not like the deal.

Or maybe they can offer the deal for a new referendum, and when it is rejected, they stay in the EU.
;-)

cornelius

@Winter
About your last phrase. The referendum itself doesn't cause the Brexit. It's the request to leave that causes that. So there is no need for a second referendum if the UK changes its mind

Winter

@cornelius
"So there is no need for a second referendum if the UK changes its mind"

But the "UK" that changes their mind would be the sovereign voters who just voted to leave the EU.

Their government can legally ignore the outcome, but that is very unlikely to happen. If there is a change of mind, that should be confirmed in a second referendum. But that is alzo very unlikely to happen. The Leave voters would then have to admit they were wrong. I suspect most rather see the UK sink below the waves than ever admitting those pesty continentals were right all along.

John Phamlore

What I find amazing about most of the press coverage about the Leave victory is that there is it is obvious no Prime Minister will invoke Article 50 and that the UK is no closer to leaving the EU today than it was a week ago.

Collectively everyone from the UK's two leading political parties, including Boris Johnson, is refusing to do anything to prepare for Brexit. Instead David Cameron, who supposedly "resigned," is going to squat on his office, possibly into October, preventing anyone from seriously negotiating with the EU let alone move towards invoking Article 50.

The plan is obviously to let the UK slowly bleed out economically over the next few months and then have the next Prime Minister give the people some "straight talk" calling for a second referendum, which Remain will win easily.

In the US there is the saying, "You can't fight city hall." The bureaucracy and the establishment don't want Brexit so it simply isn't going to happen.

cornelius

@John Phamlore

I've read somewhere (I didn't save the link) that the negotiations for trade agreements should take minimum 4 years. And the breakup from the EU should take about 2 years. So if UK applies for article 50 right away, then there would be some 2 years without trade agreements which would be rather bad for UK. So I guess the UK can start negotiating now and then in 2 years apply for article 50 and continue the negotiations until the exit kicks in. But the danger for the Leave would be that in 2 years the economic situation would be so bad that it would trigger a second referendum and cause the UK to remain. It would cause two unnecessary years of hardship, but maybe two years is better than forever. Also if within these two years Scotland breaks free, then that will not get reversed soon (unless the Scots will have a queen and that queen will marry an English king)

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