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March 11, 2016


Wayne Borean


A lot of people really like IOS, and are willing to pay extra for devices that run it. Every time I've compared Android to IOS, Android lost. Last time was about eighteen months ago, and there've been two major releases in that time, so no doubt improvements have been made. I haven't been in the market since then (bought an iPad at that time).

Besides, when I ran the numbers, the Android devices I saw just were not competitive, even if they were cheaper.

abdul muis

@Wayne Borean

"Every time I've compared Android to IOS, Android lost."

May I know what comparison do you make?

"ran the numbers, the Android devices I saw just were not competitive"

Could you explain me more so I can I understand what you said?


Every time I compared Android with iOS I thought Android was far better than iOS.

A few things about me that are relevant to this discussion:
1. I haven't checked iOS in the past few years but I had an iPhone 3G (I didn't buy it, my employer gave it to me). So things may have changed in the meanwhile but I ma convinced that the general idea remains the same.
2. I am a software developer so maybe I am not a typical smartphone user.

My reasons for picking Android over iOS:
In general I tend to forgive missing features if the reason is that those features were expensive (to develop) or if the features do not integrate well in the operating system or if their introduction creates other issues, or if any other objective reasons come up. What I can't forgive is when the company cripples the operating system (or device) on purpose in order to extract more money from their users. And in general I don't like Apple's attitude that they know what I need better than me. For example:
1. With Android I can install any number of alternative app stores. With Android I don't even need an app store. I can simply install any application that I download from the Internet. That is freedom and it's about having choices. All you have to do in Android is to check a check box in settings, and you are warned that this may make your device less secure, but if you really want the option you have it. You've been warned. With iOS you are forced to use the official app store or you have to jailbreak your iPhone which voids the warranty. Apple says that they force the official app store on the user in order to protect the user, but that is a load of crap. They could do like Android, show a strong warning but if the user really wants to go forward then give it to him. The real reason is that Apple gets 30% of all purchases in the app store.
2. With Android I can install a file explorer so I have access to all my files and I can transfer them freely between the phone and my computer. I can use my phone as a USB stick if I want to. And before you tell me that this is not important, I will give you a real world example. A few years ago my cousin has downloaded some pirated songs and imported them into the phone with iTunes. Then her computer got a virus and she lost all the files in the computer. After reinstalling Windows, she wanted to add more songs, but she couldn't because the sync would've wiped off all the songs that were present in the iPhone but not in the computer. So she was stuck with whatever was in the iPhone because she couldn't sync the phone. She had to download again all those songs. But in general it doesn't matter why you need access to your files. It's a matter of principle. They are your files and it is your device, you paid for it, therefore you must be able to use it any way you see fit. It's not like Apple did you a favor by letting you purchase the device.
3. Any browser on iOS must use the official Webkit engine from Apple. This restriction is really dumb. What if other engines offer you better, faster, less bandwidth consuming Internet experience? Granted, Gecko may not be better than Webkit, but Blink surely is, especially for mobile. But even if Webkit was the best, choice means freedom and it's again a matter of principle. There is no substitute for freedom.
4. Apple continues to refuse to allow app launchers in the app store. Even if the official app launcher is the best in the whole world, that is not a reason to forbid alternative app launchers.

The list can go on and on, but in general Android is more flexible, more customizable, offers you freedom. You can even install a Cyanogenmod ROM and replace the entire operating system. Android may not be as open as I want it to be, but among the current popular operating systems, it is the best. The fact that some Android devices offer you the best value for your money is not even relevant to me. Also iOS is inferior because Apple refuses to implement interoperability with other devices in the house, (like broadcasting, like NFC - which they reluctantly accepted recently, because it was too popular, but notice that they first tried to push iBeam). In conclusion the Walled Garden is not to protect the user, it is to protect Apple's revenues (apparently, they don't make enough profit). Sorry, but I can't accept to be taken for a fool.



These guys in the link below had a series of benchmarks on iPhone and Galaxy S7. Apparently the S7 beat the iPhone in every benchmark test except one.
So, what was your point again?


And please note that the iPhone they tested was 6S, the latest and greatest of them all.


@banned one (John)
"So you are now saying that Tizen, Sailfish OS, BB10 and Ubuntu sold nil last Q?"

No, but I could not get meaningful estimates for them.


Interesting video where Android is run as an application on top of Sailfish:

There will be new phone in India by Intex in April, something to come into Africa and Latin-America during summer and Russia follows at end of the year:

I'm just wondering if it brings the break-through for them or not?



"Sorry, but I can't accept to be taken for a fool."

Welcome to the club. Your lengthy post sums up all the gripes I have with Apple. iOS was new and fresh when it was released in 2007 but over the last 9 years the competition not only caught up but is now running circles around Apple's stale offerings that blatantly show it's solely about ripping off and controlling the customer.

Lucky them that many of their customers' inertia seems to be nearly infinite. I'm done with them, though. I felt screwed over by them a few times too many and these days I see nothing in their products anymore that warrants such high prices.


@Winter & John
BlackBerry shipped 0.7 million in Q4 according to their earnings release. Strategy Analytics said Tizen shipped more than BlackBerry, Gartner says Tizen sold less than BlackBerry. Call it even for your needs.
SailfishOS and Ubuntu are negligible at best.

abdul muis

Hmmmm... I wonder why....
"Spotify is dropping support for its Windows Phone app. The company updated its Windows Phone app back in February 2015, and they won’t be releasing any further updates for their Windows Phone app."

abdul muis

meanwhile..... VAIO (ex sony) made Windows Phone..
"New Windows 10 Mobile Phone VPU051C11N from Quanta (Vaio) passes Bluetooth certification"


@Wayne Brady:

"that there are benefits that come from Apple's ways that, for many people, outweigh the problems."

Let's better say that the main reasons why people buy Apple are

a) they just assume by default that their product is best without ever checking,
b) they do not know how limited this stuff really is and
c) they buy Apple as a status symbol

But I've yet to find a single person who has made the informed decision that Apple is the best.


@Wayne - yes Android flagships are by far cheaper than iphone and here are the numbers to prove it! What's more, Android flagships will continue to drop in price going forward, opening up already big gap in overpriced offerings from Apple:

Nexus 6p 32GB - brand new $425

LG G4 32GB - brand new $290:

These are just couple of samples. Although Galaxy S7 may start off with $700 price, it will have to drop in price fairly rapidly (notice the Get 2 for 1 offer from Tmobile and ATT!!) in order to stay competitive. Is there any 2 for 1 offer out for Apple iphone 6S? I thought not!


We were talking about the operating system. Apart from the security, your post contains nothing about the OS. And that security is a myth. If you have an encrypted Android phone with the latest updates, I guarantee you that no one would be able to break into it. Android phones can be just as secure as iPhones. But, yes, the user has the option to make them less secure. It's up to the user, but the encryption works the same on both OSes. I will write more tomorrow when I will have more time. But you shifted the discussion away from operating systems because you have no arguments and you probably agree with me that Android is superior to iOS.

It's a good thing that you don't come by too often. You don't even have to come here at all.


BTW, I just bought a Nexus 5x for $199 (no contract) with Project Fi ($20 per month + data)
Show me any iPhone that beats that deal in respect to the value you get for the money you spend.



I think your iPhone installed base number is off. In January Apple announced their active installed base (i.e devices that connected to their servers in the past 90 days) was 1 billion devices. In addition to iPhones, this includes Your estimate of 497M iPhones implies the other 503M devices are Macs, iPads, iPod Touches, Apple TVs and Apple Watches. Based on the cumulative numbers of each device sold, I don't think this split is correct.

abdul muis


I thought the active installed based standard was MAU (Monthly Active Unit) not QAU (Quarter Active Unit).

Per "wertigon" Ekström

On a related note this might be the beginning of the end for Android as we know it:



Finally they woke up. It's about time that Android got unbundled from Google's services. Because that will force Google to make their apps installable on other devices or they'd take even more damage.

I certainly wouldn't put more than the Google Play store app on my phone if I could.

Now, if they could strike a similar blow against Apple's control obsession it'd be even better.

The entire business model behind mobile is so abhorrently abusive that it needs to be stopped - and I'm excluding none of the players here. Some are worse than others but none is truly innocent.



No, it is not only about subjective needs. This is also about the power we as consumers give corporations. As a general rule, I'm not willing to give them any at all.

What I HATE is e.g. an OS without a file browser. People can tell me all day that I don't really need one and that I can do things differently, but I _WANT_ one, because I actually use it from time to time.

Also, feature regression I hate with a vengeance. Is there any reason to NOT include rSAP? I don't give a rat's ass about Apple's and Google's approaches to car infotainment, I want rSAP period. I don't care for "App Integration", I want online traffic information and I want to use the car's built-in antenna. RSAP gives this to me, why bother any further?

But to install rSAP drivers (or any other drivers, for that matter), I need an UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER.

Why on earth should I spend my hard-earned money to get a device where the vendor tells me which drivers to install? I'd call this an insane behaviour on my part.

I do know that there are people who are too stupid to install drivers without messing up the device, but why should I care? Should I also drink milk because the baby cannot have steak?

Why should any vendor have the right to decide which software I install on my device? Why should I give my right away to any vendor? I'd be nuts if I did this!

So to sum it up, it's not about tweaking my phone day and night. It's about what _I_ want with my device.

If I buy a device with unlocked bootloader and the capability to sideload apps, I can never be wrong. If I don't use these features, I haven't lost anything.

But if I'd buy a device which locked bootloader and that I would spend my time in traffic queues because I wouldn't have online navigation, I'd be pissed off. If I would have bad reception and low speach quality because I cannot use the car's built-in antenna, I would be angry. If I'd have to mess around with 2 SIM cards because I cannot install the drivers I need, I would hate the vendor of my device.

So what you are advocating is to give away my rights as consumer to a corporation. And I surely won't do this, no matter if it's Google or Apple or Microsoft. It's my device, and hence I should be in control. End of story.

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