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January 15, 2016

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Barney

@Marty:

"The iPhone is the new Windows because everyone — Google and Microsoft included — has to develop for it. Google needs Apple’s mobile platform. And Microsoft needs Apple’s mobile platform. But Apple doesn’t need Google or Microsoft’s platforms. The smartphone wars are over. Apple won. Microsoft lost. Android placed."

http://techpinions.com/who-won-the-smartphone-wars-google-or-apple/43246"

Now, that's as clueless as it gets. And it's typical iEconomy thinking - looking for the short term gain while completely lacking any forward vision.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Winter: It's semantics, really, but "Linux" is still not an OS. Ubuntu is an OS, Android is another, and Fedora is a third all based on the same kernel.

Android and Ubuntu have little more in common than the kernel, however.

But yes, Linux-based OSes have conquered the world. I just simply dislike people saying GNU/Linux-based operating systems and Android-based operating systems are the same, because they are not. They have very little in common except for the kernel.

Of course, GNU/Linux is slowly being eaten by Systemd/Linux but that's a whole other flamewar I don't feel like getting into right now... :)

chithanh

@PWE
> Android and Ubuntu have little more in common than the kernel, however.

It is correct that Android and Ubuntu have less in common than e.g. Ubuntu and Fedora. But calling it "little" is quite wrong.

The problem for Google was the GNU GPL, which it tried to keep out of Android as much as possible. BSD/MIT licensed stuff like wpa_supplicant and dozens of other pieces of software are commonly found both on Android and GNU/Linux distros.

And with Google's acceptance of the GPL for Android userland (thanks to the Oracle lawsuit) we are going to see a whole new era of code sharing between Android and other distros. OpenJDK will be the start, next probably the Bluetooth stack.

Winter

@Per
"@Winter: It's semantics, really, but "Linux" is still not an OS. Ubuntu is an OS, Android is another, and Fedora is a third all based on the same kernel."

The term "Semantics" is often abused, but here you use it correctly. Semantics is the study of "meaning" of words. This seems apt.

We are now arguing that a mouse is not an elephant but both are mammals. Yes, they are very different, but a lot of what "works" for the one will work for the other. Compared to an octopus, they are more alike than different. At one time, MS was selling three versions of Windows, CE/ME/NT, to users as "One OS". These three versions differed fundamentally and did not even use the same kernel. But they "looked" the same (in their marketing materials).

Now, it is said we should not compare Android to Ubuntu because reasons?

The situation between Linux and Android is explained here:

http://elinux.org/images/c/ca/Using_chroot_to_bring_linux_applications_to_android--anderson.pdf

An OS is a badly defined beast. It is true that you cannot simply take a binary program from one version of Linux and expect it to run on another version of Linux. A KDE program needs a lot of supporting code to run on a Gnome distribution and vice versa. When a distribution uses Xwindows, it cannot show graphics or windows when there is no Xwindows available etc. One of the main problems under android is the different C library (bionic libc).

On the other hand, OS' that are based on the Linux kernel share many other structures, libraries, file systems, and tools.

The link above shows how you can run "desktop" Linux on Android using standard interfaces (chroot) and Google Play apps.

Barney

@Wayne Brady:

Can this nonsense please stop?

Money is not equivalent to market share, neither is it equivalent to market power. The fact that iOS is more 'profitable' doesn't mean much, ultimately.

It's the same if you said that ten billionaires matter more than 100000 normal people because they pay more taxes. If everything was run with such metrics we'd be in one hell of a place.

Winter

@Lullz
"The real question is this. What does it matter for a consumer if it's based on Linux or not?"

The opinion of the consumer is completely and utterly irrelevant in this discussion.

The "average user" has the luxury to be ignorant about the differences in technology between computer platforms (ARM vs x86 vs Mips), software (WP, vs iOS vs Android) or car technology (petrol, natural gas, diesel, electric). That does not make these differences irrelevant, it just makes the opinion of the average consumer on technology irrelevant.

Winter

@Lullz
"What the relevant question now?"

Why do companies produce Android phones by the shipload, but not WP phones? They are different, but why?

The difference is "technological". Few Android users can tell what makes Android different from WP. Those who produce the handsets do know what makes these two platforms different. One thing is the Linux kernel.

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