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June 30, 2015

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Per "wertigon" Ekström

*I think the growth will be slower than usual in the following quarters.

Time will tell. :)

Maggan

Time IS telling.

Winter

Yotaphone says bye-bye to Android
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/yotaphone-says-bye-bye-android-161653714.html

Maggan

Or are they ... ?

http://pocketnow.com/2015/07/03/yotaphone-drops-android

http://www.androidcentral.com/yota-announces-switch-away-android-jollas-sailfish-os

/M

Per "wertigon" Ekström

The Sailfish-story seems more like Russia not trusting US-manufactured OSes - and with NSA basicly pleading guilty about installing backdoors in every US-based OS, why should they think differently? It's common sense.

But yeah, this will at a first stage only apply to government organizations, not general public.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

Some more context:

"I think we're going to have to take the denial with a grain of salt. A reader that there's context to the story which is being missed because it's not being widely reported outside of Russia.

For one thing, the Russian govt wants to start using a mobile OS which is not controlled by an American company (for security reasons, obviously). They've chosen Sailfish, there's even a report that a Russian Minister held a Yotaphone running Sailfish. What's more, a Yota Devices rep has confirmed on a Russian forum that the firmware exists. They also said that it's not nearly ready to be shipped. (All this background suddenly explains why two different Russian news sites reported this story last week.)

In short, yes, there is a Sailfish firmware and it might one day be released for use by the Russian govt. But it almost certainly will not supplant Android on the consumer models. So the story going around is still 95% wrong."

http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/07/04/no-the-yotaphone-isnt-switching-from-android-to-jolla/

So, a grain of truth to it but unfortunately not what it looked like.

charly

But any app for the Russian market will be written for Android that is compatible with Sailfish. Which is also good news for Blackberry and Tizen (& IOS if it ever gets a Android emulator on Jailbroken devices)

NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS

Hi Tomi,

I am impressed you are always ahead of the curve.

http://www.baselinemag.com/news/slideshows/why-texting-is-becoming-a-key-business-tool.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BL_NL_BB_20150706_STR1L1&dni=258945583&rni=23383474

For the astroturfers remember: NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS ON A PHONE

abdul muis

@Tomi

You're the man!!! You really predict removing the removable battery & SD-card will be a catastrophic for samsung.

Galaxy S5 beat S6 because of non-removable battery & no SD-card
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/05/samsung-galaxy-s6-ranks-lower-than-galaxy-s-5/index.htm

NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS

Hi again Tomi, As usual AGAIN (no surprise) you are ahead of the news.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209341-the-eternal-rumor-will-microsoft-dump-windows-mobile-and-go-for-android

For the astroturfers stop thinking "Tick-Toc" and start thinking "flush" but you'll probably need a plunger too for WP :-) ...more of the latest windows phone news can be found at:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/windows-phone-drops-to-2-29-percent-global-market-share-stats-show-486105.shtml

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/06/windows-phone-market-share-in-the-u-s-drops-significantly/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/lumia-535-fails-boost-windows-phone-users-us-android-tops-smartphone-platform-usage-1509356

Ok astroturfers: say it with me, loudly ..NO ONE WANTS A WINDOWS PHONE!

Crun Kykd

Further support for the idea Microsoft will shut down Lumia - it's pulling out of mapping. Any serious phone company tries to bolster its mapping, not reduce it. That's because mapping is considered a key phone feature, much like GPS or cameras. http://recode.net/2015/06/29/microsoft-to-stop-collecting-own-map-data-sells-part-of-business-to-uber/

NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS

Microsoft has much bigger fish to fry than than its (P)OS WP....

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/193469-windows-10-is-great-but-it-wont-stop-the-pc-from-dying-and-taking-microsoft-with-it

Now all the astroturfers stand, sway and repeat after me ...NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS ON A PHONE! ....LoL

SE-dude

If nokia wants to be succesful with the Android system they better not use that M$ Crap of piece shitty SE bing, Instead they should probably use either Google or duckduckgo

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Wayne:

"So....what will adding the next 2 billion even poorer, vastly poorer people going to do to change the economic equation? Not a thing. Not a thing in the markets where Apple has it's base. Not in the US, Urban China, Japan, Euro5."

Ah, but here you are missing two things.

First, people that are poor may not remain poor. See, for example, people studying to become doctors and lawyers, after their 10 years of education you think they'll earn around 10k a year? Neither do I. Same thing with countries - African countries aren't poor because the population is dirt poor, they are poor because of armed conflicts, corruption and vast misuse of their natural resources.

Of course, what do you think these once-poor people will buy once they've used Android for a while? My bet is, they will stick with Android. :)

Second, you're missing the math here. 500M units out of 2000M is one fourth of the market. 500M out of 4000M is one eight. A developer looking at maximum market penetration for his App, will look at these numbers and say "Apple is 12.5% of the market. Do I have enough userbase to justify an Apple app, or do I give them a HTML5 App only?"

As for only focusing on "rich" countries, like I said; once the poor countries manages to stabilize and build an economy (5,10,20 years from now) they will stick with what they know, be that iPhone or Android.

So yes, Apple is currently busy at work killing off it's wool-producing sheeps since mutton fetches a really good price right now. Why that is a bad idea is an exercise best left to the reader. :D

Egghead

The poor, when they gain economic power, don't continue to eat ramen noodles and drive tuk tuk's. When they get money they buy things that people with money buy. That's why Apple is indeed doing well in the BRIC economies. The people in those economies with money buy Apple products. It's not like China is a mirror of the U.S. Or Japan. There are far more poor people, really poor...but those who do have money are a great market for Apple products.

Not everyone who has money, of course. It's not like every American buys an iPhone or a Mac. But enough that Apple does quite well even without selling the most units.

And not only are you imagining a world where the poor overcome war, lack,of education, poor resource management, corruption and everything else holding these people back....such that they become wealthy and continue to stick with the brands the identify with when they were in poverty. You must also project that the U.S., Japan, Urban China and the Euro5 trade places with the worlds poor nations. Losing all their own economic power such that Apple loses its existing customer base and FINALLY... there is no economy reason to support the Apple iOS platform.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Egghead:

Android phones are only slightly worse than iOS phones. It is a BMW to the Porsche, that is, close enough to actually compete, but not quite there. Only, Android is ALSO a Toyota (relatively inexpensive and gets you places but may lack things like AC), and platforms need market share to survive. :)

Also, third world countries doesn't have to kick richer countries to the curb in order to increase their standards of living. If you believe that you are quite delusional.

chithanh

@Wayne Brady
If you want to make apps in order to sell them, iOS is still the platform to go because the most affluent customers are there.
But we have all witnessed on this blog that this is not a sustainable business model. Even diehard Apple apologist John Gruber now thinks so.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/06/30/the-love-era

But if you want to reach your customers with your app, then going Android first with its vastly bigger user base is a no-brainer. And yes, even poor users count here, despite your first-world centric comment trying to downplay them.

Your view can be forgiven however, seeing that big corporations like Microsoft think the same. After abandoning "first and best on Windows", they are now going iOS first. Which is understandable if you look at their home market, but of course that is going to hurt them globally.

Samsung tried to imitate Apple with the Galaxy S6 which further accelerated their downfall. Sales have been well below expectations. But the customers are going to other Android manufacturers, so all is well for Android.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-sees-seventh-straight-profit-decline-1436227146

And Samsung just keeps on digging further, after telling users that Galaxy S3 would get an update to Android 5, suddenly they don't feel bound by this statement any more and say that Android 4.4 will be the last version.

@Per "wertigon" Ekström
I think since Android 4.0 all major show-stoppers have been fixed and it was close enough to iOS for most users. Android 4.4 is already significantly ahead in many areas, and with 5.1 it is not even close any more.

Catriona

If we look into Samsung's situation further, we see that the main reason the S6 isn't selling as well as they hoped is not that they removed the SD card or waterproofing, but instead that they didn't make enough of the Edge variant, which is actually more expensive. They expected 1/3 of sales to be the Edge, and demand is closer to 1/2.

Lullz

@PWE

"As for only focusing on "rich" countries, like I said; once the poor countries manages to stabilize and build an economy (5,10,20 years from now) they will stick with what they know, be that iPhone or Android."

It was never proved they would stick with that. In the past people have been busy changing the OS and phone manufacturer.

chithanh

@Catriona
Whatever shortage there is of the S6 Edge (and I don't see any, it is readily available here) does not make up for the overproduction of the S6.

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