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May 25, 2015

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Catriona

Also @Winter, the West Coast of the U.S. is an attractive magnet for immigrants, which is a competitive advantage. Our primary and secondary schools are sub-par, but our universities are the best in the world. That's a huge draw for talent. Now if we only had more sensible immigration policies that treated engineers and programmers from China and India differently from unskilled labor crossing over the border from Mexico, but alas, our political disfunction has reached a level where it has become counterproductive.

That said, the bottom line is that Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and others on the West Coast are keeping the U.S. competitive in an increasingly globalized era where intellectual property rules.

Winter

@Catriona
"That said, the bottom line is that Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and others on the West Coast are keeping the U.S. competitive in an increasingly globalized era where intellectual property rules."

It is more complex. The US rule, indeed, but by military and financial might. That allows the US to force others to abide by US IP laws that are very, very strongly biased towards US companies.

The US coasts are currently the places where big money, best research, and stable politics, come together to welcome immigrants. (Immigration politics are much worse in Europe).

Per "wertigon" Ekström

Regarding IP, there is a movement outside of the US trying to fight back, known as the pirate movement. They've actually managed to put a few dents and chinks in the armor though are more a nuisance today than a real threat.

The problem with the strong IP laws of today is that they are more or less incompatible with a free internet. Especially current copyright laws, which do the absolutely braindead decision of trying to regulate *copies* in a place where the margin costs of making copies are more or less zero.

Winter

@Per
Strong copyright law is also incompatble with free speech and a free market.

NokiaFun

The mighty US West Coast. I think the audience of this website are missing the point or the Baron95 fella isn't making it sufficiently.

How would it sound to hear "nobody can manufacture like the Shenzhen ecosystem...there is nothing the US or European companies can do other than pay the Shenzhen companies to do the manufacturing for them". Would anyone seriously debate this? The US, the Germans, even the British and the French have lots of current manufacturing but they can't compete in today's electronics manufacturing. Not even if someone spent billions on creating a plant with all the latest technology. Because what is going on in Shenzhen is the complete ecosystem. Big plants, small plants, and millions of cheap-labor Chinese. Apple couldn't bring the iPhone manufacturing back to the US even if they were willing to take less profits or charge more for their phones.

Similarly, there is an entire tech ecosystem centered around Silicon valley that even other areas in the US can't match. From the VC investors, to the existing tech companies, to the universities, to the tech entrepreneurs. This is not some "American blood line superiority" any more than Shenzhen is what is is because "the Chinese are so smart".

And yes, America runs on immigrants. They attract the best minds in the world because of that Silicon Valley tech opportunity that just doesn't exist to that level anywhere else.

Of course tech innovation exists in many places in the world. Many places in the US too. Just nothing to compare to the US West Coast in a similar way to China's tech manufacturing.

But keep in mind...just because a company is on the West Coast of America does not mean you should fire your CEO and hire an West Coast executive with zero experience in your industry. And if you do, you don't let him go around telling your customers that all your products suck. And you don't drop everything you got to bet on his former companies unproven product. Nokia was so stupid

Winter

@NokiaFun
"How would it sound to hear "nobody can manufacture like the Shenzhen ecosystem...there is nothing the US or European companies can do other than pay the Shenzhen companies to do the manufacturing for them". Would anyone seriously debate this?"

Except that the Mighty Shenzen ecosystem buys its machinery in Europe and the US. The chips powering all these electronics, not least the ARM processors running the mobile handsets, are made by waver steppers most likely build by ASML. ASML is located in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. That is only one step in the production process. At every step, machinery is used that us designed and build in the Western world.

This is a global industry. I think some people are still living in the past and do not understand what globalization actually means.

NokiaFun

@Winter - as I said, there are manufacturer's outside of Shenzhen....but that doesn't mean that just anybody can order some European machine tools and instantly recreate what it would take to truly compete.

Winter

@NokiaFun
"but that doesn't mean that just anybody can order some European machine tools and instantly recreate what it would take to truly compete."

And here is explained why:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v521/n7553/full/521420a.html


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abdul muis

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/06/report-xiaomi-sold-over-35-million-handsets-in-h1-2015.html

If this is true, then, Xiaomi has shipped 20 million in Q2 2015.
That's mean number 3?

abdul muis

mobile-dad _dot_ com /a/286/13791 _dot_ html

Huawei ship 50 million phone for H1 2015?
That's mean 37.5 million phone for Q2 2015?
Number 3?

abdul muis

@Tomi

I wonder why I can't post the above message link without doing the _dot_
are mobile-dad dot com were blocked?

(At first I try that web site with the google translate, translating the web into english)

emrecan

Thank you guys

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