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March 12, 2015

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RottenApple

Hm...

I don't believe that Apple could win more by pushing sales recommendations.

By now the market is pretty much divided and most customers enter the store with their mind being made up which operating system they want.

So obviously Apple and Blackberry get nearly 1:1 ratio but an Android customer has actual choice so it's not really surprising that here a sale for a specific brand needs more recommendations.

abdul muis

@Rotten

I agree 100% with you. I think the customer already made up their mind for the OS before they entering the store. The one that they don't made up for Android/Windows is which phone.

For android vs. iOS vs. BB, I believe web reviewer and friend and family took a larger part rather than some store salesman.

Maggan

@Tomi

"Why isn't Apple getting more than this level of support? Must be sales support and incentives. Apple is doing too well, they don't need to provide any incentives and because salesdudes and dudettes are driven by their commissions, they push the phones with the best commission deals... Ain't Apple."

I believe that this is the key to Samsung's success, more than anything else. A lot of the money that was marked as advertising includes (or at least included) sales incentives. So Samsung had to pay extra for each customer, which in turn resulted in big market share.

Their problem seems to be that they have to keep paying those incentives to stay competetive, and maybe they have cut down on that which would explain at least parts of the S5 fiasco.

/M

/M

Tomi T Ahonen

Rotten and abdul

I hear you but have you WORKED in sales? I worked years in sales and then years more in sales management, and I wrote THE book about sales in the mobile telecoms industry (3G Marketing) the bestselling telecoms book of all time said the biggest publisher of engineering and telecoms books, John Wiley its publisher. I hope you can accept from me both professionally having been a 'salesman of the year' of my employer and then years in sales management and support, that YES you can influence sales at the retail level and IF you get 100% conversion - that means you didn't try hard enough. There is good profitable business left on the table. Apple's conversion should be no better than 80% and more like 60% for them to reach all prospects and the full sales potential. Achieving 100% conversion means they left easy sales on the table. Apple could do at least one tenth or one fifth more business than it currently has (had in Q1 of 2014) in the USA. ABSOLUTELY there is more that they could land, profitable satisfied customers that could be converted NOW to the iReligion, without thinking about cheaper iPhone Nano models or new areas like iCamera or somehow by now the accessory side through Apple Watch.

That the don't push Apple more, makes sense from the sales reps as clearly it must be that Apple (and Blackberry) are not offering good enough sales incentives and bonuses. Thats a fair strategic choice they have made (Apple and BB) and are making. But MY point that the math is CLEAR, that there is still SIGNIFICANT potential for Apple - that should be alarming... Why is Apple NOT pursuing these customers NOW when they still can, before the competition has caught fully up in the way as Windows PCs essentially caught fully up to the Macintosh PCs.

Comes back to my thesis that Apple is focusing on short-termism, short term profits at the expense of long term sustainable business. That will come to bite them in the ass some day. Not this year, but some day. This is not the way to run a 'company of the century' and it means a crash is looming somewhere near the horizon.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Catriona

It isn't that Apple isn't trying. Apple wants you to buy phones through their own sales channels (retail stores and online), so they don't offer much in the way of incentives to the carriers. At iPhone launches, the carrier stores get a handful of iPhones while the Apple stores are replenished daily or even more often. That's partly what did in RadioShack. They became heavily dependent on cell phone sales, and when Apple essentially cut them off, they lost a huge business.

It doesn't surprise me that Samsung got lots of recommendations. They offer lots of incentives, since they sell mostly through carrier stores. Last year they must really have been pushing incentives since the phones weren't moving. If the Galaxy S6 is a smash hit (and early signs are encouraging), we might actually see fewer incentives and a decline in recommendation rates but a higher sale-through rate.

Catriona

@Tomi, I see no signs of short-termism at Apple at all. If all they were concerned about were short term profits, they'd have released the Apple Watch last October along with the iPhone and cashed in on holiday sales, or perhaps even in late January to try to capture Chinese New Year and Valentine's day. Instead, they pushed it back and back and are releasing it in April. I think Apple knows what market share it can realistically get in a mature market like the U.S. and is focusing its efforts elsewhere.

From all their moves, it should be pretty obvious that Apple essentially wants to cut the carrier out of the equation to the extent possible. There is a rumor that Apple will include the Apple SIM in next year's iPhone. So far Verizon has resisted on the iPad, but they managed to get AT&T signed on (sort of), and Sprint and T-Mobile will likely sign whatever Apple puts in front of them since they need all the help they can get. The more that Apple can get people to buy products from their own stores, the better it is for them. They've been heading to this point ever since they built the first store, and have nurtured the cellular industry for years to get to the position they are in now. That's anything but short-termism.

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Maggan

True and we heard Samsung complain about their bloated marketing budgets last year and reorganizing and pruning. That is EXACTLY what is happening now. And if they cut their marketing budgets - while competitors in Android do not - then it means YES that less will go to sales incentives in retail as well as less in TV advertising, etc. If you are biggest, your advertising budget HAS to be biggest. Look at Coca Cola. Simple. We see clearly from the above that essentally any customer who didn't walk in committed to an iPhone, was pushed a Samsung in America a year ago, and that helped them pick up 8 points in market share. That is 'being aggressive' in sales and marketing - but also means they had a competitive product portfolio. Remember this is essentially still the end period of Galaxy S4, then came the disappointing S5 and during 2014 Sammy was cutting its product portfolio and cutting its marketing. And a downward spiral that started as a trickle turns into a flood. That is how an accountant reacts to a marketing problem. They cut the budget. It always damages sales and profits. We've seen this film a million times from Siemens to Palm to Motorola to LG to Nokia to Blackberry to Sony. These are not marketing people in charge, they are either engineers or accountants, and their remedy makes the situation worse.

But the handset industry is not mature enough yet to be run by proper business people with strong marketing skills (apart from Apple) which is why such elementary marketing mistakes are made consistently in this industry. A car maker or cola maker or shoe brand would not make these elementary mistakes...

Now if you are strongly pushing your brand through marketing, it means that there is a natural level of where your market share is, and you achieve more than that (at a cost, through heavy marketing). If you then cut the marketing, you will instantly fall to approximately where you 'should have been'. But that fall is so rapid in this industry with the fastest product cycles of any industry, it results in huge volatility. When it goes your way (Motorola Razr, iPhone, Samsung Galaxy) then you think you are marketing geniuses and think the growth will go on forever. But if the opposite happens and you have the short-term fall (Motorola, Nokia, Blackberry, Samsung) then panic strikes and management reacts by the worst thing you can do to your sales - by slashing sales and marketing budgets (and often also, even worse - slashing product portfolios). Then the small fall becomes a 'collapse'.

This Samsung Galaxy S6 'solution' is a perfect example, a decision not made by a marketing professional but made by an accountant and obviously a designer who obsessed about the iPhone. Now rather than regaining Galaxy market share, there are LOYAL customers who will be pissed off, IN THE STORE when they see the phone being offered... (or worse, at home when they try loading the files from the microSD slot or to take the Galaxy to the shower..)

Now, the REALLY interesting part would be to see how this data evolves over time. What is the current sales push focus for Samsung or iPhone in the USA. How would that market compare to say India or China. What is the conversion rate now for LG or HTC etc.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Wayne Borean


The biggest takeaway from this is, it doesn't matter how much you push a product, if the product doesn't have what the consumer wants. Which makes you wonder why so many companies just don't get it. It isn't as if there haven't been enough examples.

take for example the tale of Windows Phone in Canada. There used to be huge numbers of Windows Phone ads on Canadian TV and radio. There were also in store recommendations. But the phones didn't sell. Compared to an iPhone, Windows Phones just didn't offer what the customer wanted, and didn't sell. After a while sales people stopped recommending Windows Phone. A sales rep on commission has only so much time to work a customer. If a product is hard to move, it isn't worth their time, brand specific bonuses or not.

As to who is cutting marketing bucks, my guess would be accountants rather than engineers. I worked at several firms where accountants were given the CEO slot, and it was always a disaster. Always. Which isn't to say that engineers didn't make mistakes, but that they didn't make the same type of mistakes. Cutting marketing spending is very much an accountant style of mistake.

Lullz

@Tomi

"Why is Apple NOT pursuing these customers NOW when they still can, before the competition has caught fully up in the way as Windows PCs essentially caught fully up to the Macintosh PCs."

People quite often say how Apple will be caught up soon or how they were already caught up. When the iPhone 6 was released people were saying how Apple allowed them to be caught up. Now the same people are saying how they will be caught up soon. Maybe they were or maybe they were not. Very hard to say since some sources say how Apple lost market share and some say they didn't. In any case the change was so small that it's really hard to say if they were losing or winning for the competition.

We will have to wait for the first calendar quarter results before we can really say if Apple was caught up or if they were not. If Apple lost market share in the last 12 months then they were possibly caught up. If they gain on market share, then Apple was probably not caught up. We should know that by late April when we can once again compare the latest 12 months.

charly

@Baron95

"remember that all Apple customers have credit cards and are high income"

I think income is something relative so not more than 20% of people can have an high income. Apple has a much higher score than that regionally.

Apple has no near competitors which is not true for windows on PC or Android of phone so brand stores work for Apple because they have a monopoly on IOS and OSX but they don't work for Android phone makers because they don't a monopoly on Android. Apple brand stores are in fact very unique in that they aren't in clusters of stores which sell the same product which points to Apple being an unnatural monopoly and should be forced to be broken up in a software and hardware companies.

Henrik N

My observations here in Sweden at Telia, MediaMarkt, Elgiganten etc..
The salespeople push Samsung, iPhones and mostly Sony.
I guess Sony got a bigger marketshare here than other countries depend of historical reason and the connection to the Swedish brand Ericsson.
(not a lot of htc anymore like some years ago)

Younger people often go after the Android devices. Older couples that only had a dumphone before often are showed iPhones by the sales representants. iPhone are often the device companys give to employes. If that was not the case I am sure the marketshare would be smaller for Apple.

And Windows Phone/Lumia? Only one place got a lot of them, that place is Elgiganten. I suppose they have some kind of a deal with Microsoft.
Sales people not push them, but I think they sell some of those online or if a customer already have decided for one by themselves.

Some small observations from the real life.

charly

Apple has an extremely peaky volume of sales during the year so claims that they sell all they make are not really relevant as it is obvious due to making supply match demand and not the other way round.

You want to sell more than the CONTRACT besides the obvious point that under normal circumstances that they are the most profitable ones is because it makes your re-sellers happy and it allows you to better control your distribution channel.

Spawn

> Blackberry (clueless as they are) also isn't trying

They are trying hard to not sell. On-contract is difficult, off-contract very difficult.

http://crackberry.com/blackberry-classic-launched-singapore
http://forums.crackberry.com/asia-pacific-f317/indonesias-indosat-now-offers-smart-phones-contract-including-z3-945415/

> They still don't know what business they are in

Exactly. Its not consumers it seems and so they got no or very less consumers. Surprise!

charly

Every Greek is in the top 20% of world-wide income distribution, so what.

Porsche dealerships are mostly next to other car dealerships unlike Apple. Asus PC ASP is so much lower than Apple that i expect that service isn't as good.

Spawn

@Charly

> Every Greek is in the top 20% of world-wide income distribution, so what.

Bulls eye, nailed and depunkt'd :-)

Fact remains that the huge majority of the 20% leading world-wide income countries does NOT pick an Apple but an Android.

Even in USA the situation is different then Amateuer-writers with agenda like Sam Biddle wanna make you believe.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158143/twitter-heat-map-shows-iphone-use-by-the-affluent-android-by-the-poor/30#post_2349718
http://cartonerd.blogspot.com/2013/06/3-billion-tweets-on-map.html

"If you own an phone you are rich" is a pure marketing gag long proven wrong. Everybody knows that low-income ppl in the US own iphones too and US has lots of them hence more iphone users - lol.

Apple is secure

@Tomi

I wonder if you have watch the Gladiator...

PROXIMO: Then listen to me. Learn from me. I wasn't the best because I killed quickly. I was the best because the crowd loved me. Win the crowd, win your freedom.

MAXIMUS: I will win the crowd. I will give them something they have never seen before.

....

Apple wasn't the best because it has kitchen sink. It was the best because the journalist love it. And what Samsung did with S6 is the same as what Apple did with iphone. It wasn't aiming to have the kitchen sink, but it was aiming for journalist to love them....

sve

Awhile ago there was discussion on the importance of physical keyboards. I wonder today if physical keyboards or voice recognition is the more important feature. I suspect voice is. And it ups the technology ante to all smartphone players.

abdul muis

@sve

100 million+ bb owner & I don't know what is the number from nokia E series user + other brand.... mostly move on to touch screen. A couple years from now, we all will laugh at the idea of removable battery on the high-end device.

charly

How many people use voice? People actively detest it even when it works. Especially because it kills privacy

Crun Kykd

@charly How many people use voice? Everyone I know doing SMS on the move. For new ff's like iWatch - voice is only option. For google search requests when mobile, voice is also easier.

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