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December 05, 2014

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ItIsARealNokia.

To all those here who think Nokia didn't design the N1, check the comments by John Kneeland on Twitter. He helped design it, so it's definitely a Nokia device. They just shared engineering samples with Foxconn and got them to produce the device on a large scale.

KPOM

@LeeBase, not only that, but one of the main Android Police contributors even put the iPad Air 2 at the top of his "recommended Android Tablet" list, even though it doesn't run Android. http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/12/07/android-police-holiday-gift-guide-2014-stuff-want-newer/

Earendil Star

Same old story: Nokia (what remains of it) tries to get back from the dead. And immediately there is an outcry from the usual MS astroturfers, trying to question the new moves, start discussing what "real" Nokia device means. E.g.: for them it is "the real Nokia" when Flop, the MS mole, got rid of Nokia factories and engaged Compal to launch the first Lumia. Yet it is the "false" Nokia that now launches the "fake" N1, with support from Foxconn, the iPhone/iPad you iName-it OEM. In practice, the "true" Nokia is the one that is always in line with MS, while the "false" Nokia is the company that goes against MS. And Compal is better than Foxconn. Gee, Apple must have got its ideas mixed up when choosing Foxconn instead of Compal! Should we tell them??

Well, but that's the never ending MS astrostory. I am too tired to even get bothered. Meanwhile, even Ed Bott, the Zdnet senior editor and long-time MS fanboy, is giving up hope on WP.

Rather, I wanted to share the story on some unbelievable MS-induced misery on the innocent buyers of its (now) own products: just read this horror story on the sad fate of this Nokia N8 user: http://zo0ok.com/techfindings/archives/1376.

Just to quickly recap, the unlucky owners of Nokia N8 (but this may equally apply to other Nokia Symbian smartphones from 2010 to 2013), were subject to the following miseries thanks to MS:
- shutting off of Nokia Weather service for its Symbian apps
- time bomb in Swype for Symbian (first in 2012, then again and for real in 2013). In practice, and without any warning to users, on 1 January 2014 Symbian devices with Swype from Betalabs found their phones to have become unusable. Only those browsing online would have discovered that a much loved app, Swype, contained a time bomb (whose update would just require a couple of minutes of programming by the original developers), that rendered the app unusable and the phone it was installed on lame. No way anybody at MS/Nokia considered to invest 10 minutes in upgrading this app and restore its functionality.
- shutting off of Skype for Symbian. Although the app remains theoretically functional, it is no longer accepted as valid client by Skype servers, which now reject connection from the app, rendering it totally unusable.
- winding down of Sync for Symbian
All this, despite early reassurance from MS/Nokia that Symbian would be supported up to 2016. I have no doubts that this is what the old (pre Elop trojan) Nokia would have done. But not Elop. Too concentrated on trying to ensure the unattainable viability of the WP platform to bother.

Do you think any of the former Nokia N8 (or 808 for that matter) owners would ever switch to WP? No way, not after having been treated in this way by the MS bully. As will be the case of the early WP7 adopters, that were shafted with the realease of the WP7, which was immediately osborned by the new and incompatible WP8. FY MS.
Being so incapable of understanding that consumers cannot be treated in this way is the greatest asset MS is providing to its competition. Which is flourishing from Android to Apple, and widely so. So dumb. MS just deserves to be failing in mobile.

Huber

@Leebase:

I looked at the article at androidpolice.com - you stated:

"Even a prominent Android site has nominated the iPad Air 2 as the best tablet"

While in the article, I read: "Nexus 9 vs. iPad Air 2: A [Mostly] Subjective Comparison"

This is not about "the best Tablet", this is a subjective comparison of two devices WHERE EVEN THE AUTHOR ADMITS THAT HE LIKES HIS IPAD!

Why are you lying? Or do you have the analytical capabilities of spinach, so you think that this is the same?

Wayne Borean


Interesting, We have two different viewpoints:

1) Nokia designed the N1
2) Foxcon designed the N1

Tomi, how about an article?

Wayne

abdul muis

@Wayne

True. Interesting.

There is 2 side.
The one that think Nokia did the right thing when choosing WP think N1 is the fake nokia.
The one that think Nokia did the wrong thing when choosing WP think N1 is the real nokia.

I wonder is there any other side such as
think nokia did the right thing when choosing WP, but think N1 is the real nokia, or
think nokia did the wrong thing when choosing WP, but think N1 is the fake nokia.

Huber

@Leebase:

"I didn't lie. I presented one, and someone else the other -- there are actually 2 articles on that Android site praising the iPad as the best of tablets."

Sorry, I haven't seen KPOM's link.

But this link you can also forget - this is just "Android Police Holiday Gift Guide 2014: The Stuff You Want, Only Newer".

A holiday gift guide is no in-depth tablet test - please stay honest here!

When you say "Even a prominent Android site has nominated the iPad Air 2 as the best tablet" then I assume that some serious tests have been performed with various devices, with battery runtime, performance, screen etcetc, not just a subjective comparison of the Nexus 9 vs. iPad 2 Air by some iPad-lover or a gift guide!

As I said, the retricted design of the iPad is a trade-off which makes everything else unimportant. If I don't have a freaking file system with a file browser and a locked bootloader, everything else becomes a moot point for a lot of people.

As I already have stated, the Sony tablets are well-made - and Sony lets you unlock the bootloader, which is a mandatory feature for me.

RottenApple

@Leebase:

"The iPad Air 2 stands head and shoulders above the competition for those who value things like build quality, app ecosystem and ease of use."


And it sinks into a bottomless pit if you need a file system or openness. No app ecosystem can make these major design flaws go away. Either these things are important - in which case the iPad is a no-go by default or they do not matter - in which case it can be a good product for some customers. But please don't pretend that an app ecosystem trumps everything else into irrelevance.

As a toy it's certainly a nice product - but beware if you need to handle some data that is best served by a file system. Good night!

KPOM

@RottenApple, LeeBase concedes your point. However, not everyone needs a file system or "openness." The IBM partnership should improve the functionality of the iPad for enterprise settings. The applications released yesterday focus on data analytics and CRM, neither of which directly need a file system.

RottenApple

@KPOM:

"However, not everyone needs a file system or "openness.""

I know. But for some this is a deal breaker And frankly, I really don't understand Apple here. Why not allow some control over the file system so that 'serious' apps work better. This was the biggest complaint I even heard from several iPad users where they thought that it wasn't as good as it could be.

eduardom

Microsoft guy drops Windows Phone for Apple

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/11/7377021/ive-given-up-on-windows-phone

eduardom

As I have said before, I think Microsoft is going to drop Windows Phone, probably within 6 months.

Microsoft put enormous money and effort into Windows Phone because its strategy for decades has been Windows Everywhere. But the new strategy under Nadella is Microsoft Services and Software on All Platforms.

I am guessing the only reason Nadella hasn't ditched Windows Phone already is he has been busy with other things, plus wanted to give it one last chance. But it is continuing to fail, so the end is near.

Anyone disagree?

Earendil Star

Ooh, the astros are really angry... I must have stricken the right spot once again...

As usual coming back with false statements.

Striking similarity to the ipad mini. Really? Yes, it is a rectangle. Yes, the size is more or less the same. Aluminium frame. So what? Should they have released a 3 foot pizza shaped tablet in heavy steel to be "original"? By the way, it has no button... They must have missed something...

Nokia did not copy... Blackberry... true, and the E-series? Ah, that does not count. Regardless, wasn't it a Steve Jobs who said that shamelessly stealing great ideas is OK? Never mind.

Pathetic design? That's just value judgement, personal preference. I actually like it, but that's just me...

And I could go on, but I'm tired. Tired of those who said WP was the best for Nokia, were proved totally wrong, and now continue spreading BS and saying that the others are the clueless ranters.

Ah, and as usual the tactics are the same, concentrate on minor details and forget the main message: a MS free Nokia is fighting to become relevant once again; MS brings misery to its partners and customers.

The rest is bogus.

Earendil Star

By the way: of course WP will be ditched. Windows 10 is coming. MS has been involved in mobile for more than 20 years now, and still have not been able to get their act together. To the astros: in 2011, WP7 (the half baked obsolete win ce pos), was more ready than Meego? Really? Fail. Total fail.

Huber

@Leebase:

-->"Read the article yourself. The one I posted was a LONG article by someone who's a genuine fan of Android. It's still just one person's opinion, but you could see from their holiday guide, that others shared the same conclusion."

I have read the article. It is just subjective nonsense, and it even doesn't have a definition of the _BEST_ tablet. What qualifies for _BEST_? Screen quality? Battery runtime? Openness? Amount of RAM? Flexibility?

Hence this is all subjective bullshitting and does not proof anything at all.

-->"The iPad Air 2 stands head and shoulders above the competition for those who value things like build quality, app ecosystem and ease of use."

Have you had a look at the newer Sony tablets? This nonsense is getting old, I can do this, too:

"The Sony Z2 and Z3 tablets stand head and shoulders above the competition for those who value things like flexibility, openness, built quality, ecosystem and ease of use"

The same bullshit, just a differenr device.

-->"The sales numbers back this up. None of the premium Android tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab or the Nexus are selling all that well when compared to the iPad. It's only when you get into the vastly cheap tablets are basically used in Asia for watching pirated tv/movies that you get the kind of numbers to dwarf the iPad."

That's why the outlets are full of Android tablets in all price ranges - from €59 to €649. They put them on the shelves because they don't sell.

Apple may have the lead in the higher price ranges, but rarely do people need these devices - I bought my expensive tablet for its 3D capabilities. For everything else, A Galaxy Tab pro 8.4 for €230 does the job pretty well for anything else (if you can stand the fugly Samsung-UI or replace it with something sane).

The iPad Minis are just an overprized joke, I huess they are for people who like being ripped off.

-->"And no, scaled up apps are not as good an experience than apps made to take advantage of the large screen of tablets".

Scaled up apps are a non-existing problem. I encountered this occasionally, but never without having an alternative which is tailored for tablets.

--> "Want to see something comical, look at the Facebook phone app running on a tablet."

When I want to see something comical, I look at people who use a tablet with a Web App. I do use them occasionally on the phone, but never on the tablet, since it is big enough to just use the browser.

Regarding Facebook, I do not use this. Probably Facebook also expects sane tablet users to use the browser...

Tester

@Earendil Star:

For god's sake, grow up. Your paranoia concerning Microsoft is just ridiculous. Nobody in mobile cares about them anymore, there are no astroturfers for them anymore - we sure have some people astroturfing for Apple, but if you continue to accuse them of Microsoft astroturfing you only ruin your own credibility - if that ever existed, all your posts I remember are the same pathetic hate style.

@Leebase, eduardom:

Even if Microsoft hasn't given up on Windows Phone, the app developers sure have. I see it left and right with people who once were enthusisastic when they started quickly give up when they see that they
a) never make any profit from app sales, if that was their initial intent
b) even with service apps never get any traction - the time is better invested into improving the iOS and Android versions because they feel that gives them a bigger advantage.

So, the app market definitely has peaked. We can see that in the increasing amount of dead apps, among them several high profile ones.

This is a battle Microsoft can never win, they tried without success for 4 years now and there's still not even a glimmer of hope on the horizon. Their only chance would be to sink even more money into this futile endeavour - this is something Steve Ballmer would have done, but with Nadella I have my doubts. He cannot just shut down the business so closely after its acquisition but if I judge him correctly that was a deal he'd happily have declined in the first place. I think the only option left right now is to sit it out for a few quarters while trying to reduce the costs and then in maybe 1.5 years tell the public that they see no future in their deficient mobile unit and then close it.

Leebase is correct that their only salvation may be the enterprise market - provided they find enough stupid executives they can sell their deficient product to. But considering that these people are the core of the often lauded 'affluent Apple user base' it's an uphill battle with an extreme amount of resistance to overcome. So again, it's doubtful that the costs will justify the results.

In the end the shareholders will speak, and since 'maximizing shareholder value' is the ultimate goal, this will mean that they won't tolerate a deficient business unit with no hope in sight forever.

Mobile is a market Microsoft has lost - and it's clear that with their past strategy they won't gain a foothold there, they completely need to rethink their approach - to one that doesn't involve their own operating system on every platform. And when I see some recent signs - like MSOffice being released for competing platforms or - gasp! - cross platform development options being integrated into their Visual Studio development suite - something unthinkable even one or two years ago!, I think the signs are clear that management has realized this and is acting accordingly.


Earendil Star

"Microsoft in Mobile is in slightly better shape than Blackberry"... (JOD)

In other news, Ford dumps MS and switches to Blackberry for its car infotainment system...

http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/12/technology/ford-microsoft-blackberry/

MS, crappy software does not last if you are no longer the monopolist...

AndThisWillBeToo

@Baron
What do you expect from Earendil? The whole blog post from Tomi has more Elop/MS/WP rant than stuff about Nokia N1. Quite hilarious as Elop and MS have nothing to do with it and N1 does not run WP.

As an unrelated news: my phone broke so I've used my old N900 as a replacement. It's funny that it fails so many of Tomi's complaint items from the 101 reasons not to buy a Windows Phone list, such as "The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications" or "phone can be powered off while locked". And don't get me started with FM radio...

Winter

@boron95
"In Mobile, Microsoft is the little guy, trying to take a seat at the Apple Android table. 3 competitors is better than 2 in any consumer market."

Just like market competition between DC current from Edison and AC from Westinghouse. And all the battling mobile network standards in the USA, and the global battle between 110V/60Hz and 220V/50Hz. They have all been (and still are) a huge and senseless cost on technology.

Only someone from the USA could hail the consumer lockin and burden of senseless standard wars as a "win". The win is only in the higher consumer prizes from the lockin.

Earendil Star

Woha... the Astros are really angry today... I like it!

As usual they like indulging just in personal attacks... a pack of wolves... no focus on topics and facts.

Comments on the quality of MS' sw for car infotainment? No.
On MS' attitute towards its customers (see N8 horror story I talked about)? No.
No way. What counts is "you see MS everywhere", "rants", "stuck in 2010", etc.

Well, the reason why MS is connected to the Nokia N1 is that Nokia's fate since 2011 was dominated by MS and it's crappy WP (P)OS. The software that -according to you, astros, since your past comments are there for everyone to read- was supposed to be the "best that could happen to Nokia". In fact, it was the worst that could have happened to Nokia, as is now totally clear and evident and in line with what I went on repeating for ages.

So the interesting story, for me, now, is that a company that was devoured from the inside by the MS Moloch is now trying to stage a comeback, and to keep the value of its brand from waning. The reason I commented was that for the first time since 2011 finally Nokia seems to be showing a touch of leadership, which had disappeared during the MS Flop era.

And what happens now? That the usual astros start -as expected- to criticize current Nokia actions, while the same or similar things that when done under the MS tenure were considered "the best Nokia could do". This is the kind of inconsistency that must be highlighted, and must be singled out and exposed and ridiculed.

Nokia now stands a tough fight, it will be really hard to repair the damage that was made by Elop. But the signs coming from the new management are promising. And the first device, on Android, also looks quite appealing.

These are the topics that interest me. And fighting against attempts at rewriting history.

I gladly leave it to the astros to discuss about the N900 (from 2010, precisely...), America vs Europe, how good MS is, alleged GSM cartels, how bad Samsung is faring together with Android, etc., all nonsense, for which I really cannot give a...

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