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April 30, 2014


Abdul Muis


The reason that Tomi occasionally delete your post because you just post some data that will to your argument, but when confront you run away. Ex. your NTT docomo, China mobile data/argument.

The Ubuntu for android IS CANCELED!!! because canonical build UBUNTU PHONE. Not because it's a failure product!!!

So, canonical change their direction. OLD WAY: complement android device, NEW WAY: compete with android. Comprende?

Abdul Muis


Elop will be sensitive issue in microsoft. Nadela won't cripple Elop with dramatic effect. It will be a bad PR for microsoft. The way that black society (microsoft) do about their kind (elop) is to silently silent him.

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Wow, thanks. Wonderful story and touched my heart so many times on so many levels.. yeah. I was still living in London when Finland won the Eurovision song contest and it truly felt like hell was freezing over, this was the moment that we were never supposed to witness. At least the Finnish hockey team was often in the finals so we could think the (first) World Championship was kind of 'a matter of time' but Eurovision.. We were never even in the Top 5 and often didn't make the finals at all...

Yeah me too. I still have the old E7 in my other pocket (because of the wonderful QWERTY keyboard) but my main phone today is the flagship from Sony, the Z1, running Android with 20mp camera, 5 inch screen (and waterproof). As to phones overall, the Sony brand (previously SonyEricsson) has traditionally been kind of 'nearest to Nokia' of the main brands (far more so that Motorola or LG or Samsung or Apple haha) and thus me too, being a life-long Nokia user, the 'nearest thing' was for me to go Sony Z1 at this point. If Jolla could get the rumored QWERTY accessory unit, I would replace the E7 with that in a heartbeat. Gotta love Jolla for at least trying.

Thanks! Lovely very personal sentiments and obviously me as a Finn, all of that spoke to me. Kiitos Mindy (Minna?)

Tomi Ahonen :-)


@Tomi Lover:

" If you have not met one who likes Windows 8 is the time to look around in the world. "

Sorry, no success so far, I'm sure there are a few who may actually like it but these are clearly not the people Microsoft is after, i.e. the ones who may heavily invest in the ecosystem.

The people I know tend to be knowledgeable computer users and this group pretty much has made up their mind about Metro, i.e. they strongly dislike it because it disrupts their workflow.
These same people also tend to use mostly Android phones and to a smaller degree iPhones - but finding a WP user among them is nearly impossible. And the reason? They all got burned by Metro on Windows 8 or are scared of being forced to 'upgrade' their workplace and sure won't bother with the same UI on their phone.

I have a Nokia 620 for work and yes, the common reaction I get when showing it to people is some astonishment that they dare selling that stuff with such a primitive and oversimplified interface that on top of it is butt-ugly.

I think there's a lot more behind the fact that Nokia only managed to move some volume in the lowest end bargain bin segment, i.e. the least discriminating of all existing users. People who actually are willing to pay a bit more choose something different.

Let's be clear about one thing. Metro has been a complete and utter disaster for Microsoft since its inception. And no polishing is going to change that, they need a complete overhaul. I don't get it. They got the numbers from 3.5 years of failure now and they still won't change. Any sane company would have used that time to remove the irritation from the UI and make it a more plesasnt experience but Metro still looks and feels as annoying as on the first day.

Earendlil Star

*** on WP market share

According to latest Kantar data: "Across Europe, Android remains the top OS with 70.7% share, while Apple holds second position at 19.2%. Windows, at third, accounts for 8.1% of smartphone sales."

Astros, hallo??? Easy to cherry pick and try to hide reality... reality BITES! And WP market share is in decline again, also in Italy (not YOY, but over previous quarters). By the way, Android grew 820 bps in Italy, vs 300 bps for WP yoy... LOL, especially if you consider their relative size!!

But the WP propaganda machine is in full swing. Well, how could it be otherwise? MS continues to be totally committed on this POS.

*** on Nokia X

On the Nokia X, I disagree with you, Tomi. Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING moves at Nokia that MS does not want. Elop the Trojan was totally behind this endeavour, which by the way explains the shutting off of the Meltemi project. This is why.

Guys at MS are bad at mobile, but they are not stupid. They saw that WP was going nowhere, despite the Nokia push. Going Meltemi would have meant trying to create an app base from scratch. What could be done? Bing(o)! Let's take AOSP, which is already there and we don't have to work too much on it, and has the advantage of carrying (at least with minor tweaks) the whole Android app ecosystem. We skin it like a WP (more or less) and load it with a bunch of useless MS services. Buyers will be tricked into believing it's a real Android phone and will buy it! Bing(o)! Why try and create a solid mobile product (which MS failed to do for 20 years) when it's possible to steal Google technology with almost no effort?

One question however remains: why not pushing the Lumias 520s and 620s, which are low end dumbphones anyway? At just slightly higher price tags than Nokia Xs? My take is that Nokia Xs, which are even lower specd than the 520s, and much cheaper to produce, possibly at breakeven or a slight gain, vs Lumias that need to be heavily subsidized to be sold at the prices they are sold at.

So, no: as it was just confirmed by Elop, Nokia X was no mistake and was a clear MS decision and tactic to go for it. To try and salvage its presence in developing markets and attempt to disrupt the Android ecosystem from the inside, with a look-alike.

On this front however, I expect this move by Google: an offering for sideloading Google's apps on Nokia Xs to replace MS... that would really be fun...!
But you may ask: why should Google bother, when there are so many other cheap droids on the market? It's because of the Nokia brand.
Yes, as I said in the past and Tomi confirmed in this post, the Nokia brand is what is keeping up Lumia's sales. Despite MS and WP.
And having Nokia branded phones with real Android (including Google apps on it) would be the ultimate humiliation for MS!


Elop's bonus has reportedly gone up to $33 million because of increases in Nokia's share price. Nokia tries to pacify its shareholders by pointing out that 70% of this is paid by Microsoft. But that only tells you who Elop was really working for while CEO of Nokia.

red honey

WP propaganda machine is in full swing

yeşil kahve

lool Android grew 820 bps in Italy, vs 300 bps for WP especially if you consider their relative size!!


@Earendil Star:

"But you may ask: why should Google bother, when there are so many other cheap droids on the market? It's because of the Nokia brand."

Why even bother? Nokia X is only sold in 'selected' markets, and the Nokia brand will be gone by the time this may ever find wider distribution. And who would buy 'Microsoft X'? Right: nobody. Those who would buy a Microsoft branded phone are those few who actually LIKE Microsoft - and those would buy a Lumia to 'support' Windows.
Google only needs to wait and sit it out until Microsoft's mobile unit implodes. And the numbers from the last two quarters are BAD!

sarımsak çayı

seriously good point here Android grew 820 bps in Italy, vs 300 bps for WP ..


Remember "NO ONE WANTS A WINDOWS PHONE" ...well ..It is STILL TRUE!!!! :-)

Peter Sverige

Elop should be jailed for destroying finnish jobs and all the economical damage he intentionally caused. That's all I think of that crook.
Disaster of epic proportions.
Here's a small iOs game called Flappy FLop - the burning platform:


@Peter Sverige
iOS game - how fitting.


Tomi, the QWERTY Other Halfs for Jolla are already for sale. There's a Dutch guy who's 3D printing them. Only he's doing small batches and they cost 100 EUR a piece. I think they were demoed by Jolla recently at that big mobile fair. I'm waiting for the QWERTY to go a bit lower in price and then I'll get one too.

Minna on nimeni, joo, vaikka netissä käytänkin yleensä nickinä Mindya.


"I see that all the little children, who had such high hopes for the Linux dominance of the desktop and mobile phone, are out in force, in their denial."

Erm... Android is Linux on mobile. I think we could safely call 80% market share dominant.

Who gives a stuff about Android's comprehensive spanking of iOS anyhow? The browser is the platform of the future, that's why Samsung are working on Tizen, Mozilla on Firefox OS, Google on Chrome, LG on WebOS, etc... We're not just talking about smartphones either - IP phones, smart TVs, media players, watches, fitness equipment, central heating, air conditioning, microwaves, white goods, cars,... all running web servers that can send and receive requests using JSON.

You can keep your silly little 'ecosystem'. Any service on any relevant device, any device having the capability of communicating with any other device, that's the future and Samsung's breadth of products puts them (and hence Tizen) in a strong position to deliver.

"Unbutu is dead for mobile. They posted the death accidentally in a bug report, then tried to hide it."


Paul Ionescu

One does not have to be a genius to see that Elop has damaged Nokia and his actions shows basically "ill intent" for Nokia. His main goal was the good of Windows and Microsoft and not the good of Nokia.

What I am amazed though is that Nokia as a company didn't have and it didn't show any kind of "antibodies" or "immune system" against this kind of situation/behaviour when the CEO shows "ill intent" while damaging the company. Nokia didn't even try to find "creative" ways of getting rid of Elop as soon as it was clear that Elop was not doing any good to Nokia. Jorma Ollila reprimanded Elop for the famous memo. Reprimanded only? Seriously?

I think that also Nokia has a big fault in this because obviously Nokia didn't have any "immune system" and also obviously Microsoft and Elop's lawyers were better than Nokia's ones. Anyway, this is a good lesson for the new Nokia (that is Nokia Networks).


"Unbutu is dead for mobile. They posted the death accidentally in a bug report, then tried to hide it."

Still no citation? Let me help you out, I think this is the story that's got you so hopelessly confused:

Just to clarify, Ubuntu for Android is NOT Ubuntu Mobile.

Sander van der Wal

@Paul Ionescu

The obvious reason is that Nokia management broadly agreed with Elop. They might differ slightly on certain points of execution, but they were aligned on strategy.

The people that would be the natural opposition, the Symbian and MeeGo camps, had already lost all credibility. They were the ones that had managed to get Nokia in that bad spot. The MeeGo team by not delivering for three years, rebuilding the system trice. And Symbian was already declared dead. Remember Qt going to replace the S60 and Symbian API's? That was the time they lost most of their influence.


@Sander van der Wal

And Windows Mobile/Phone was taking the world by storm? Kicking butt and taking names?

When the Nokia user base was migrating to Android and not Windows Phone quarter after quarter, and losses were posted quarter in, quarter out, somehow the WP camp was swimming in credibility? Please.


You were so utterly clueless you thought Windows Phone was a viable strategy for Nokia, if you want to talk about a Zombie platform Windows Phone is it.

FYI Bada was not Linux, it was not open source and in fact it was not even an OS, it was a platform that could be configured to be used with different kernels. No Bada device ever released used the Linux kernel.

You're also wrong about Tizen, it is in no way 'dead' nor 'stillborn', having corrected your ignorance of Ubuntu Mobile and Bada (I note you're now trying to give the impression you knew the difference between Ubuntu On Android and Ubuntu Mobile :roll-eyes:), now let me also help enlighten you about Tizen:

I know this must be excruciating for you but Linux is everywhere, your living in denial doesn't change that fact. It's in super computers, super colliders, internet servers, enterprise servers, financial trading systems, routers, desktops, smartphones, tablets, TVs, media players, set top boxes, cars, ovens, fridges, washing machines, microwaves, central heating systems, air conditioners,... it just goes on and on. Linux is undoubtedly economically more significant than Apple or Microsoft or any single company on the planet.

You're also wrong about Ubuntu Mobile not having a launch partner. Google has an excellent search algorithm (hosted on Linux servers, btw) perhaps you should try it.

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