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February 04, 2014


Tomi T Ahonen

Baron 9-5

If you are going to repeat silly comments WITHOUT responding to my answers I will start to delete all those unneceesary noise comments of no value. I have several times responded to you about the Kantar numbers. If the EU average is at 10% and the total market share is 3% then there must be other markets that are under 3%. And that China - bigger than EU and US combined - fell from the previous quarter Kantar numbers. I also explained that the Windows performance by Nokia is pitiful in Italy where Nokia had over 70% market share according to Kantar in 2010 and now has 17%

Now to the new stuff. Haha.. So you say Windows is the only surviving non iOS and non Android OS. No it isn't. Blackberry is still doing new sales - and Blackberry's installed base is still 3x bigger than total Windows Phone..

But Baron 9-5. I have CLEARLY stated in the BLOG not just in the comments that I now fear for Tizen. Why can you not be a man enough to admit there is some areas you and I now agree. Why do you have to come to this blog and write such hostile comments. I sometimes find some value in your comments and I tolerate you Baron 9-5 but when I EXPLICITLY say that now Tizen is in trouble and you then post a comment as if I was still promising a Tizen success - that is childish. I would hope that some day Baron 9-5 you could grow up that much that you could have an adult conversation on this blog, admit where some situations have changed - acknowledge it if I might come to your view point - as I have many times done - and admit that there are areas where you and I also agree. Obviously I mostly ignore you and as long as you want to play childish games I am prone to look for any excuses just to delete whatever was you latest 'contribution'

And on the 'only viable' point Baron 9-5 you left out Blackberry also making its own hardware, software and having a strong vibrant business-oriented highly valuable ecosystem but a niche one. And LG has the potential at any time to deploy its Palm WebOS if it wanted to become a maker of both hardware and software. It is deploying WebOS onto its TVs already so that development effort is being financed at the company. It would not take much to do an update and launch some special LG TV-phones that have some particular TV convenience. I could even see a clever play with say Nintendo to use WebOS as the platform to bring a gaming/TV/phone solution that had a lot of differentiation..

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

LeeBase (to the 'Tomi Ache' long comment)

Haha yeah.. First of all, while once again you disagree enormously with what I thought you'd mostly agree - this is the big difference betwen you and Baron 9-5 and why you get far more replies than he does. You clearly listen to what I say and you are open-minded. Baron is so dogmatic and seems like he is close-minded to any possibilities.. But enough with the mutual admiration society lets move to the topics

haha ok that is definitely possible that I was right but for the wrong reasons. And if that is the case then very likely I will be wrong the next time and wrong by a big margin... On the other hand, however, is possible I was right for the right reasons and if I turn out again very close to the truth, that becomes a more likely scenario (or the very wild coincidence I am right twice but still for the wrong reasons haha)

On RIM.. I've said many times that my Blackberry predictions have been most off and they seem to confound me all the time. Luckily/obviously that is true of all prognasticators of the industry. Nobody gets them not even their own management. But you know my fave saying 'numbers are my buddies'. Whenever I find that some numbers roughly conform with what I expected I move on. But whenever I find the numbers don't turn out as I expected, I become very curious. Why. And it sends me on some interesting hunts of info and detail and facts. Sometimes I end up in wild goose chases or arrive at totally wrong conclusions (haha, this memo could not have been written by Elop. Microsoft is clearly quitting Windows Phone..) but it also often helps me find some insights into this wonderful but weird industry.

So about RIM.. I have been drafting one of my thinking pieces about handsets that is coming out in the next few days. I might get it up even today if I could finish it but soon nonetheless. It has some fresh thinking very much about the recent failures at Blackberry and some thoughts of where it might/should go next. I think you'll find it interesting. My point here is to say I am revising my thinking re Blackberry and it will be up on the blog soon. The article overall hopefully also helps start some new discussion about the handsets biz...

On MS going long with mobile yes. I agree. I think its a very safe bet they will continue till about 2020 at least. But if the WP market share in 2020 is still ssy 3% or 5% or 7% - and the handset division still bleeds them money - as it will - then the whoever-happens-to-be-CEO will think very seriously about should they continue as a handset maker. But yeah. As they've already dumped $10B into the Nokia project (the marketing support and the purchase) and the CEO made immediately a strong commitment to 'mobile' - this is going to be a high-visibility project and they have very much cash to burn to try to make it work.

I agree with you that (assuming Tizen is truly dead not just delayed for later launch say towards Xmas) it would have been very interesting to see how Samsung the biggest tech company played the Tizen card when their prototype bada had a better launch than the iPhone or Windows and bada had no hardware partners and no carriers on its board. And as Intel was the enternal bride's maid in mobile, I had a soft spot for them too, hoping that finally with Sammy they would get their day in the sun with Tizen.

HP will be an interesting play. If they try to do business phablets they will be irrelevant in mobile but if they decided to go consumer phablets and get truly serious about mobile, they are very strong too and could become a Top 10 player in 2 years or so. Did you notice Sony is selling its Vaio unit to concentrate on smartphones. Interesting and again speaks to Microsoft facing a cul-de-sac in the tech path of desktop Windows.

Finally on Surface. Here I think Microsoft will be actually hurt the most. The hardware partners on Windows had been complaining about Microsoft's dictatorial style for decades. They had hoped to find some alternate operating system to get away from Windows but none really emerged. Until now. Not on the desktop but who cares. On tablets. Microsoft cannot get the huge desktop-Windows style global footprint going it alone. Microsoft desperately needs the partner ecosystem of HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Asus, Toshiba, Sony/Vaio etc.. Without those, even if the next edition of Surface is magnificent - and it won't be most of all because of all the nastiness of Windows 8.x - but even if it was, Microsoft would at best get to Amazon Kindle type of scale in tablets. A small fraction of what the iPad can do. Meanwhile Android is the operating system every traditional Windows partner is rushing to do their tablets on. Android tablets obviously already outsell iPads and the tablet market is growing at speeds similar to the smartphone market while obviously far smaller. So the decision to launch the Surface (and now buy Nokia who also launched a proper tablet) is the thorn that pushes MS desktop Windows partners actively away from Microsoft. That Google sold Motorola, it is no longer any threat to the hardware makers. I think the Surface strategy is the biggest damage to Microsoft in the long run but Nokia will be the biggest drain on profits in the short run.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Satya Nutela

I was gonna replied here: , but the thread is closed....

Why would Microsoft choose Elop to be their CEO?
1. If they already use elop as their CEO, they can't send elop to any other company.... again....
2. Why would detonating a nuclear bomb on themselves and got killed?

Next Elop Mission impossible mission is:
1. Tesla, and microsoft got a future in Car technology
2. Google, long time microsoft foe
3. Cisco, and got cloud based (rival) company at cheap.

Stay tune for elop mission impossible


Microsoft, once it completes the Nokia acquisition, will be the only viable Phone Maker, other than Apple that controls it's cloud/ecosystem/content stores.

All the others - Samsung, LG, HTC, Lenovo, Huawei - are simply dumb screens funneling traffic to Google et al.

Satya Nutela


Why you and Baron keep saying iphone as corporate phone. BussinessInsider say that apple is not mainly used by corporate anymore....

Android Dominated Apple At CES

About 150,000 people attended the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas this year, about 5,000 of whom were tech journalists.

Yet everywhere you went, people were using large-format Android phones instead of Apple’s iPhones, which are generally smaller.

There is an assumption that most tech bloggers are Apple fanboys and girls. Yet when I got in line to see the big Samsung keynote address on Day 1 of the show, the crew from one of Business Insider’s more annoying rival publications were all using Android.

I must have seen thousands of people (not just bloggers) using their phones at CES this year — and I felt alone as I tapped away on my little iPhone 5.

Of course, there is a huge bias in my anecdotal, straw-poll impression. Samsung dominated the show this year, and the company had flown in hundreds of its employees for the conference.



@Tomi: "Now Microsoft - it can never allow Android on its ie Lumia ie Nokia or any other MIcrosoft-owned phones."

Well who knows. If they can remove 'Android' and especially Google stamp from it...

M$ has nothing to offer in low(er) end smartphone range (below L52x) due to WP hw requirement: DirectX9 compatible GPU. Android has no challenger there - to be honest, current Asha line is not capable of doing it.

In that arena these phones - using OS called next version of Nokia/M$ Asha platform - would be a perfect solution: stock Android (myriads of apps) without including any Google service but M$/Nokia variants instead - then it should work.
Of course, YouTube, GMail would be available anyway...

Nokia brand is still really strong in that segment and theses phones would sell like hot cakes. Ok, I know that it is not developed by US West Coast super-duper guys (but who knows), so there can be comment indicating it is POS - ;-) - but I see potential in - even in the US but definitely in the rest of the world...

So, I still hope it will be revealad soon - MWC?



Don't mistake American developments with the rest of the world. Just like normal people, Apple's presence here is far less than in the US.

Also don't link to misleading articles. It just had a good laugh about how the piece you linked to spins the truth to make Apple look better than it really is. So Apple is 'present' in 90+% of a certain group?
HOW present is it in each member of this group - and how present is Android in the same member of this group? Of course such questions, where it really gets interesting, are not being answered.

This falls squarely under the same kind of manipulation and deliberate misinformation Tomi lambasted in his most recent blog. Just pick a metric that makes you look good, and shove everything else under the rug so it's not immediately apparent.

Satya Nutela


You really are an iSheep. I gave you another example...
EVEN STEVE WOZNIAK said Apple should use android.... HAPPY?

Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Make an Android Phone


@Tomi: many thanks for your time to answer. Your sense of humor compensates largely your ego :-) !!

For future articles I wish if you can explain briefly if you want until more information surfaces what happened between Tizen and NTTDocomo, was another ban or there are other issues?

Best Regards


@Baron95, could be, because of this want to know Tomi´s opinion, he normally says that Carriers do not surrender...



"Now Android IS supported in the enterprise. Mobile strategies go iPhone first, Android second."

Please remember AGAIN: What you say is true for the US, but not for much of the rest of the world where Apple's market share is considerably lower. It's hard to promote Apple products in a market - even for enterprise use - where the platform isn't that popular.

Also, quite a bit of FUD about Android, not that this surprises me from an Apple proponent.

Tomi T Ahonen

..while I was posting two new blogs, you sneaky bastards have been having a conversation behind my back!! You should be ashamed of youselves...

haha great stuff. I'll do some replies again. Hold on, I think our fave Baron 9 to 5 has had some nervous breakdown and posted considered sensible replies. Or else its LeeBase who'd kidnapped the Baron and now posts in his place...

Guys seriously. Very interesting stuff and good dialogue and I'll be back in a moment.. (that one about Woz and Android, yeah, I laughed)

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Baron 9 to 5. Who are you and what have you done to the real Baron 9 to 5?

Haha seriously, that was refrehing and thanks. Honestly, about every 10th posting you do has a really good gem to it or reminds me perhaps of something you said before that I do agree with but kinda had forgotten. You are a valuable member of our community here but it is so tiresome to read you nasty comments.. that posting was sensible and detailed with a lot to offer. Now lets move to the points

Blackberry at 1% US.. Actually I think the 1% is ComScore stat, isn't it. ComScore only measures consumers and the enterprise use of Blackberry is thus not counted. Its share in the US is significantly higher than 1% as the global share for BB is about 2% and the US is definitely one of its better markets still.. But lets take the 2%. That is perilously close to to not being viable anymore. And definitely 2% is almost hopeless for any attempts in the mass market like attempting to get youth customers etc. 2% is quite ok for purely niche play into enterprise and still sustainable at that level. But mass market ie their youth play - they need scale fast.

That being said. This is a hits business. Motorola was on the roaps in 2003 and then came the miracle, the Razr which propelled them to double their market share (driven by Razr which also boosted cheaper Moto handset sales like a flagship should). If BB can find once again that magic potion, they could come back quite rapidly. Not to 15% market share but from 2% to say 5% or 6%. Obviously they can't hope for that with the current portfolio so it does need a 'hail Mary pass' (am not sure are you US born, Baron, if not, the Hail Mary Pass is a US football term - at the last moment near the end of the game the quarterback throws his last attenpt and tries to score to win..)

But then on that 2% and you saying they're not viable then? Windows Phone was knocking at that 2% a little while ago and their direction is now again down from the peak 3.9% they had in Q2 of this year. They could be knocking at the 2% level by the end of 2014. Are you willing to say now that if WP is at 2% they will be also as dead as Blackberry?

On the point of pre-smartphone devices. I hear you on that. I can't agree on that particular terminology but you know I'm cool with calling all smartphones from before 2007 as pre-iPhone smartphones haha.. I can very easily see that the only 'true' second generation smartphones are not just that they launched after the iPhone but obvioulsly would have to be touch-screen smartphones at that. So we're close on that agreement. The iPhone changed everything of course as Apple always does with the introduction of their latest iToys.

And before I forget lots of the buttons/touch screens/iPhone/BB stuff you wrote about is something I have coming on the blog. I have been thinking about the smartphone usability and form factor and I think I have some hopefully insightful thinking on it. The blog isn't finished yet, but I hope to post now around this weekend-ish.

The Italy 70% argument is then not consistent.. You say when the iPhone was globally available but I think you know that the iPhone was sold in Italy from 2008 - on all 3 carriers - and thus Nokia's 70% in Italy in 2010 is totally valid and doesn't need any 'global' iPhone availability to counter it. (handsets in Italy are not subsidised so all carriers pretty well want to offer the best that is out there including always the full range of top-line Nokia models..)

Good point about BB wanting to become a software company. So they are not necessarily dead even if the handset business were to vanish or be sold. But we in the 'smartphone bloodbath' series obviously would stop monitoring any company that shifts from hardware to just software...

You are right that today WP is the only viable option to Android. It may be that some other viable option emerges but that would need a few years just to establish itself and build the apps and ecosystem etc. Today if a handset maker doesn't like Google, they can't go to iOS and WP is the only other way. Even as BB would like to license its OS, nobody would go there now as it would be far too much a risk that BB might go bankrupt next week..

'Nokia was going to caater no matter what' is something I clearly cannot accept and you clearly hold that view very strongly. First. There is zero evidence of 'cratering' happening in 2010. Nokia had its second generation touch screen OS out on Symbian so by then Symbian was passable and not a disaster as a 'post iPhone smartphone'. But because Nokia had so powerful allies in the carrier community, that was all it took. THey looked at plasticky Samsungs and buggy HTCs and pricey Sonys and obsolete Motorolas and of course they sold Nokias. Nokia had NFC and Dual SIM and HDMI-out and already then a superb 12mp camera etc.. Whats not to love. And Nokia built the Ovi store onto carrier billing meaning every single app sold on the second biggest app store on the planet behind only your beloved App Store, was now contributing profit to the carrier - at Nokia's expense. The Ovi store operated from Nokia's point at near zero-profit basis - precisely so that the carriers would prefer Nokia and Ovi... What is wrong with this picture and model. Why is this cratering.

You know that Nokia grew enormously in 2010 in real smarpthones not pre-iPhone era featurephone-style smartphones. Nokia grew 36 million unit sales from 2009 to 2010 while iPhone only grew 23 million. So Nokia was extending its massive lead over the best smartphone on the planet, the iPhone obviously with also the best loyalty (iPhone). People desired iPhones but often settled for the cheaper Nokia instead (or a Nokia flagship that might cost even more haha)

I would like to know seriously WHY you are convined that Nokia was going to crater. There is ZERO evidence of that happening in 2010, on the contrary, Nokia was strongly improving towards the end of the year and as we know the N8 was one of Nokia's best-received flagship phones ever ( partly because it was so much delayed so they got all the kinks out in time).

I can understand someone saying 'was going to lose share' to x or y, or for reason z. But you say Nokia was definitely going to crater. That does not compute with me. All the published analysts in 2010 who made a forecast for Nokia were utterly convinced that Nokia would continue as the biggest smartphone brand easily not just through 2011 but through 2012. Why is your conviction so certain and based on what, that all those expensive paid and famous handset industry analyst houses couldn't see that but you can?

Lastly the lilliputs. Sailfish, Firefox, Ubuntu I totally agree. Hopeless now that Google sold Moto and dedicates itself to not compete directly with its hardware providers. Tizen I am not convinced but as I've already written, Tizen is on the ropes. You know how much I placed my trust in the carriers signed up to Tizen. Now Sprint has departed as has Telefonica and NTT DoCoMo said 'indefinite delay'.. Tizen is in trouble but it is not dead yet. And here is the difference with NTT DoCoMo. They said immedately after Elop Effect that they are quitting Symbian. No equivocation. They came right out, it may have been that Monday if I remember correctly. They quit Symbian and go Android. If they were serious about ending Tizen, they would say so. NTT DoCoMo has put very serious prestigious matters to delay before - most famously their 'world's first' 3G launch. So this is not the end of Tizen - yet - but it may well be.

If - IF NTT DoCoMo and a couple of other carriers - ahem like the giant Vodafone - do hang on with Tizen. And IF - IF Sammy the Samster Samsung pulls a truly fabulous first Tizen phone - that could be the talk of the town and the buzz that might make the iPhone feel very passee. Samsung is one of the few players left in the industry who has the resources and competence to do a 'Razr moment' type of phone. I am surprised that they haven't even been close so far but they could do that (another who could is Sony, maybe LG and obviously Apple)

So what do you think of all that haha?

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

zlutor - haha yeah, I'd love to see it. But yeah. In Finland we have this saying 'syon hattuni..' which means 'I will eat my hat if' and I'm almost tempted to promise you that except that my Stetson 'Sovereign' Fedora style hat is a genuine antique and can't be replaced so I can't promise to eat it haha, but I am very very very certian Microsoft cannot allow an Android phone. Your arguments are all good and make sense but Microsoft doesn't need at all to make the handset unit profitable now, nor to make the featurephone business succeed or to serve the poorest customer segments. They need Lumia to grow. They need Windows Phone to grow. A lot. I am certian their market share target for end of this year is at least double their current share ie 7%. That will be their mission and they will sacrifice all Ashas and low-cost customers and whatnot to pick up some tiny fraction of a point of percent of market share. No Android phone.. But as I've said, the sneaky 'good new' propaganda ploy is to rename Asha OS as Windows Phone Lite or something silly like that and then tell the world that Windows is already selling something like 8% or 9% for Microsoft immediately after they took over from the obviously-incompetent Finnish management...

LeeBase - haha yeah I laughed at that survey too. If techie geeks are the kind of sheep who run after the next shining object, the normal consumer customer who once uses an Apple product is almost impossible to steal back. The iPhone loyalty did not drop one iota when those gadgets appeared in the hands of the geeks. That being said - Apple NEEDS a larger screen pronto.

Tomi Ahonen :-)


Microsoft's ambitions to become significant in the mobile universe are understandable. They have the money to put up a great effort. But at some point they will need outside developers to support their platform, developers who need to make money. And here's the ugly news for WP:

Avg developer monthly revenue:

Android $100-$200
BB $51-$100
HTML5 mobile $201-$350
iOS $500-$1000
WP $1-$50

Tomi T Ahonen

RottenApple - just confirming that point, that the USA market share of the iPhone both in new sales and installed base is far above the rest of the world. A few countries are similar but on continental level, North Ameica is iCountry..

Satya Nutela - haha yeah. That gave me a big laugh. Woz is so clued into what Apple is doing, what it should do - and what the handset options are. But to respond also seriously - same as Microsoft/Windows. If Apple offered a single device running Android, the rival of iOS, the confidence in iOS would collapse overnight and all developers would read it to mean that Apple will soon terminate iOS and go fully Android. It would be suicide for Apple. Plus its not Apple's ethos. They don't go play with the normal folks. They are superior beings who only do perfection and therefore they must have total control of everything. No way would they go to an open source pigsty to get down and dirty with the other handset makers.

JMM - I'll respond in next to your q about Tizen as this will be a longer one so let me post this reply now. hold on..

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen


First, ignore that reply by Baron 9-5 its his usual babble. Secondly see what I wrote above to the 'other' Baron haha about Tizen and NTT DoCoMo.

Now to your q. I honestly do not know and I have very little on which to try to form an educated guess so much of how I think is based on wishful thinking not any signs of likely scenarios. The sudden and very broad range of cancellations took me by surpise.

That being said. NTT DoCoMo would say no if they really meant no. Sprint and Telefonica DID say no. Something is happening but NTT DoCoMo did not take the extreme step that S and T did. This is not due to Japanese politeness, they rapidly said no to Nokia after Elop Effect and at that time there were no others to give them 'cover' ie NTT DoCoMo if it wanted out, would have left when Sprint and Telefoncia left. They are not desiring to end Tizen but they clearly didn't want to launch now.

Then why did Samsung cancel its first phone and now apparently show no Tizen device at MWC? There is a good plausible theory for it. No evidence to verify it (but it may come out over time like many things we'e pondered on this blog in the past). Imagine Samsung team working hard on the launch Tizen device. Then they have some pow-wow with NTT DoCoMo to show it. And the Japanese say they don't find it good enough. Or even, that in that meeting Samsung's top boss feels embarrassed and confesses to the NTT DoCoNo colleagues that he is not comfortable with that device being their launch handset. Then they decide in the meeting, lets send this project back to be redesigned and improved. We are in no hurry, both of us do fine on Android. Lets make sure the first Tizen phone is the monster-chiller-horror-killer we want it to be. And voila, suddenly we get the orchestrated cancellations... Sprint feels betrayed that the wonderphone won't be coming as they counted on it to be their big winning ace and in an American style they walk out of the whole shebang. Telefoncia who were lukewarm members anyway take the opportunity to quit as they see Sprint walking out...

I have no knowledge in any way that any of this happened, but I could see it happening like that. The key is the first phone. When is Samsung's first Tizen phone going to be shown and will NTT DoCoMo sell it. It really doesn't matter if that comes this summer or for Christmas or next year, because of Samsung's huge size, they can wait till 2017 and still leapfrog Windows Phone to comfortable 3d Ecosystem status simply by shifting one in 8 handsets made on their brand from Android to Tizen. As Tizen has Linux roots even the port won't be too costly. But if NTT DoCoMo announces they quit too. Or if Samsung says they end the phone development and repurpose Tizen onto to TVs or cars or whatnot, then its truly over. I also don't see them - Samsung that is - wasting millions more in Tizen if they inteded to shut it down. So I am hopeful - but mostly because I would love it to work out - that Tizen will still arrive. Do remember, until bada was terminated, it was the fastest-growing new OS - yes fastest-growing but now comparing to any other start-from-scratch OS - faster than iPhone and faster than Windows Phone. That was bada without any hansdset partners. That was Samsung's 'prototype' OS launch. They would make Tizen perform better because the are nothing if not learners. Koreans. They learn. So they took apart the whole bada experience and intend to do Tizen even better - and faster - when it comes (if it comes).

Tomi Ahonen :-)


May I suggest some other metric for Apple and business use?
Most sold phones to enterprise by Finnish carrier Elisa in December 2013:

1. Apple iPhone 5S

2. Nokia Lumia 925
3. Nokia Lumia 625
4. Nokia 301
5. Nokia 208
6. Samsung Galaxy S 4 +
7. Nokia Lumia 720
8 Nokia Lumia 2520
9. Nokia Lumia 620
10. Nokia Lumia 520

This in Finland. Nokia's home turf.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi AndThis

Thanks for the stats! Great info. But for the non-Finns I have to issue a long list of cautions about this data. One, Elisa (my former employer) is the carrier with the most large corporate clients so the purchasing is distorted to big bulk buys. Secondly, Finland obviously is Nokia's home and huge home turf advantage so Nokia vs rivals comparisons are not relevant to other markets. Thirdly for enterprise, Blackberry isn't a factor because BB decided not to try to compete in the small Finnish environment as Nokia's E-Series so used to own it. Then where are we, fourth, the iPhone is in a special status as the anti-Nokia for white-collar execs because Nokia brand smartphones have the stigma of being engineer-phones. Yes in Finland, the country with the highest rate of engineers per capita, even ahead of Germany and Sweden, in Finland there is stigma to being an engineer. The stereotypical engineer things, Dilbert-stuff. Engineers are inept at social gatherings, can't talk etc. Haha, Finn's who don't talk accusing other Finns of being bad at social situatiions.. But anyway, the iPhone is thus the 'badge' of honor that you are not a geeky engineer with a Nokia smartphones. Ok and now, after the Microsoft purchase, suddenly there is backlash against Nokia, as it is no longer seen as a domestic brand and so Nokia sales are collapsing. That all should be taken into consideration when you look at this list haha.... This is good stuff, Finland very often provides good info into the open domain and for our industry (often even in English) but this list is not very useful for drawing conclusions to the rest of the world, especially in enterprise smartphone analogies because the world's most-sold Enterprise phone, Blackberry, is missing from the Finnish market...

Buyer beware...

Yomi Ahonen :-)



" That was why you WOULD have been wrong had Meego ever been given a real chance."

That one again?

Don't forget that this would have been 2011 with Nokia having a 30+% market share, not Microsoft trying to start with zero. The developers were already working with Qt in 2010. It would have competed with an Android that, compared to what we know today, was a piece of shit. Android won because Nokia forfeited, not because it was so great. Had Nokia in that climate released something decent they would have won by default and no matter how much you deny it it would have happened by default in most countries were Nokia was strong.

Which brings us back to the known problem of Americans just not understanding what made Nokia tick and why they tend to misanalyze Nokia and its effects. You are making the same mistake again.

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