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March 01, 2013



"This is so sad, seeing Europe's biggest tech giant destroyed by a delusional Canadian madman who wants to shift the inventor of the smartphone, Nokia, back to the 1990s. "

It's bad enough to call out the Finnish Army and invade Canada!
Led by General Ahonen, maybe ;-)


Elop has finally came to its senses and is pushing WP8 on low cost (low end is not possible given the platform restrictions = nokia profits go bust) devices, where it belongs.
This is the first year I've actually seen Nokia WP devices (low cost range of course) in the wild. And this year is final round for Nokia WP, and the game will be played in the low cost market.

MS is tripping Nokia by releasing laughable 7.8 update and messing up WP8-WP7 compatibility story even more, ultimately killing all the remaining support that WP7 had among developers. That closes that avenue to low cost just after Snapdragon S3 is starting to get cheap. What else can they screw up?


@DS: "Elop has finally came to its senses" - well, it was not Elop's fault/decision not to push WP7.x into low-cost segment. WP7.x was simply not capable of 'going down'.

That is one reason I think Nokia should have forgot WP before WP8 has got released - if they had any plan to go for WP at all...



I was curious, do you have any data of dumb->smart? Which country is leading? Which country is STILL on the dumb phone and not changing?


And yet again Samsung does is just quite right - quite contrary to Nokia.

They are full part of the transition thanks to the Bada - Tizen transition, which will not only transition from featurephone to smartphone but rather from a featurephone operating system to a smartphone operating system - in an application-compatible way (Tizen 2.0 offers Bada the API)!

The is just ridiculous - it appears to be that Samsung isn't able to do anything wrong, whereas Nokia isn't able to do anything right.


"Elop has finally came to its senses and is pushing WP8 on low cost (low end is not possible given the platform restrictions = nokia profits go bust) devices, where it belongs."

Low cost = Low margin.

This is *not* what is going to save Nokia.



I thought Bada is not upgradeable to Tizen?



>> (Tizen 2.0 offers Bada the API)!

Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen. The Bada API was shit. So all the Tizen phones are already saddled with some heavy legacy baggage.

And BTW: Bada is a smartphone OS, not feature phone. It was already counted as such in any statistic available and in terms of capabilities it's quite clear that it's a smartphone system. Low market share and low end positioning doesn't discount this.



>> "The Bada API was shit. So all the Tizen phones are already saddled with some heavy legacy baggage."

Hm, that is not what the Tizen documentation says. Tizen is based on LiMo and applications will be based on HTML5 and some script libraries (like jQuery). Samsung did consider merging Bada and Tizen development at some point, and to have Tizen support legacy Bada applications. Nothing has been heard about that for almost 9 months now, and when Samsung did announce Bada dead on the 25th of February 2013, they did not make any mention of anything Bada moving to Tizen. "We are moving development to Tizen" is all they said.


As far as I know the native API of Tizen, as included in the 2.0 SDK, is based on the Bada API.

Michael Cox

Tomi, just a thought for your great blog... A black background/white text version for reading on a mobile to save battery as your posts take some time to read :).

John Phamlore

@Lasko The reason why Samsung does everything right is it owns stuff and makes stuff. Samsung actually can and does make phones for every phone OS that is available to it. It can do so at every price point a particular segment might demand.

Samsung unlike Nokia developed their own LTE baseband chipset.

Samsung unlike Nokia developed their own ARM SoC.

Samsung unlike Nokia owns their own fabs.

Samsung is regarded as a national champion of South Korea and is treated accordingly being allowed to expand in all sorts of areas to accumulate the cash to be able to afford to spend on research, development, and manufacturing.

Neither the EU nor the Eurozone has any idea how to support a non-French or German company like Nokia that should be regarded as a continent-wide champion.


@John Phamlore:

>> Neither the EU nor the Eurozone has any idea how to support a non-French or German company like Nokia that should be regarded as a continent-wide champion.

Don't you mean a money grave?

I doubt that any government intervention would have prevented the corporate rot that had infested Nokia. They didn't fail due to lack of government 'protection' but simply because they misjudged the market and couldn't act anymore with their inefficient and bloated structure. And when they finally made decisions they were just dead wrong. Since 2007, each and every time they made a decision they were wrong - the biggest one, of course, Elop's WP misadventure.

How on Earth can such a company be saved?

John Phamlore

@Tester Both the United States and China have established unnecessary channel access methods, the US with Verizon and Sprint CDMA, the Chinese with TD-SCDMA and now TD-LTE, that have served as IP barriers benefiting domestic companies, the US with Qualcomm, the Chinese with their national champions such as Huawei.

The Asians are also noted for their being willing to pay for infrastructure that aids new factories and research centers, the Chinese in particular establishing a supply chain that will be very hard for the West to catch up to.

Nokia's problem is that they simply failed to bet on the winning technology of the future LTE. That was a bare minimum for surviving at anywhere near the size they had. With clear direction would come planning to achieve what they needed to do as far as securing IP for their own LTE baseband chips and somewhere to fab them.

The clear example of how it was necessary to bet on LTE is shown by Ericsson who while exiting the handset business is a world leader in telecom infrastructure and who is going to clean up in the US for over a decade supporting new US LTE network.



> And this year is final round for Nokia WP, and the game will be played in the low cost market.

They lost that already. With Lumia last month when Huawei and Microsoft introduced the WP8 4Africa smartphone. First Huawei made de P1 beating Lumia 620 and short before the Lumia 520 came out Huawei beatthem again already in price, specs and as preferred Microsoft partner. Let alone the much cheaper Android devices. Keep in mind that Nokia has to pay $40 per device license-fees to Microsoft. As cheaper the devices as more those license-fees become a serious disadvantage. I am sure Huawei pays a fraction of that for its WP8.


> it was not Elop's fault/decision not to push WP7.x into low

It was Elop's fault to push and promise low segment Lumia while not being able to deliver. Microsoft never ever promised WP for low end. Microsoft's focus is 100% on peofitable high and higher segments. That never was in question, a secret, unknown. Elop just went on to promise things he can't deliver to kill there next billion low-end strategy Meltimi cause "WP will do that for us". A typical call me Mister General Failure.


> Samsung did consider merging Bada and Tizen development ... Nothing has been heard about

No big splash but Tizen 2.0 is exactly that. The native API is out, its Bada API. They deliver already.

@John Phamlore

> Nokia's problem is that they simply failed to bet on the winning technology

Yes, they went all in with WP and lost. That's how gambling works but now how a proper company strategy should look like.

@Marc Aurel

"This is why I don't like your offhand dismissing of Nokia's decision to call the Asha Touch phones smart phones."


In this press release, nokia announce that it's asha 305 win the BEST FEATUREPHONE AWARD beating another 2 nokia phone and a samsung phone.

Even nokia think that Asha = FeaturePhone. What really happened was Elop trying TO FOOL INVESTOR. elop want nokia looks successful by including the asha number in smarpthone.


@Henrik Nergard

What so great about WP???
Microsoft were loosing money on it.
Nokia were loosing money on it.
LG (was) loosing money on it.
Sony (was) loosing money on it.

This called DUMPING. and there's a law against dumping.


@Mark aurel

I need to add...


@Alex Takacs

> Symbian touchscreen attempts around 2008-2010 failed to provide a competitive experience (N97, N8...)

N8 with first Symbian^3 wqs full touch-screen. The problem was more on the UI side where things where not even close as polished as iPhone was. That changed with Anna (first Symbian^3 update) and even more with Belle (second Symbian^3 update). Belle is really good and is competative. The N9 UI-concepts made it to Symbian. Fast, beautiful, featuerich and rock-stable. Just try the 808 PureView.

Those updates came from Accenture, after Elop's Nokia outsourced and closed Symbian development already, with a way smaller team and budget. Nokia itself could have come up with thise updates much faster if not burned beforehand.

> and the platform legacy was too heavy to move fast enough

Symbian Belle and MeeGo N9 prove you wrong. What happened with Symbian is exactly the same pattern Elop applied to MeeGo and Meltimi. Short before killed.

I don't need to add that Symbian sold by factors bettern then both, WP7 Lumia and WP8 Lumia, or?


@Henrik Nergard

"In the smartphone market I see three players in the long run. Android, iOS and Windows Phone 8."

We hear this crap for years now, and now it is even less true then ever. There *was* a window of opportunity for Windows Phone, but now it's gone and it failed miserably. We have OEMs dropping Windows Phone for Tizen and Firefox OS in smartphone business, like LG, we have OEMs dropping Windows for Ubuntu and ChromeOS in traditional computing, like Dell, HP, Samsung and all the others. Microsoft and Windows is losing ground left, right and center - and yet people stand up and say "but now its time for Windows Phone". This is completely deslusional and stupid. It has had its chance, and it failed, miserably. So did everyone banking on it, above all Nokia and Elop.

Windows Phone is gone. Period.

@John Phamlore

"Neither the EU nor the Eurozone has any idea how to support a non-French or German company like Nokia that should be regarded as a continent-wide champion."

This is just plain wrong. It was above all Nokia which got subsidized left, right and center and literally money shoved up their asses across Europe. But Europe did stop doing so simply for two reasons: constant dick moves on the end of Nokia (Bochum Germany, Cluj Romania, et al.) and the simple fact that most decision makers think that Nokia in this state has absolutely *no* future and that spending money for it is wasting money.

EU beeing not beeing corporate-friendly? You are kidding yourself, really!

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