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February 26, 2013

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dies felices

I'm interested in Jolla because as far as I can see, so far at least, they're only ones to have moved on and extended the manner in which a user can interact with their device. I have owned and used an Ipod Touch but on the first day I got it I was severely disappointed by the UI and I don't mean in terms of appearance^1. There are new technologies becoming available which change the way we are able to physically interact with our mobile devices and it is the way that the operating system interacts with these technologies which will give it a distinguishable character.

As far as Ubuntu are concerned, the aesthetics of their UI doesn't appeal to me very much and I don't know of any news about how they're changing the way you can use their mobile devices. I would have to say the same for both of Firefox OS and Tizen. Please correct me if you know of how any OS is changing how we can interact with our devices because replicating the point and click model on small form factor devices was cheap and effective at first, it can not apply ad infinitum. Even though it did prove the concept of smart phones and PDAs. Now technologies are maturing just look at augmented reality and Sat-Nav and in vehicle entertainment systems, as these disparate things come together they'll introduce new complex questions which users want easy answers.

None of these discussions ever even seem to touch on the question of usability for those who are perhaps to say this politely and generalised but challenged. What does the latest IPhone or Galaxy have to offer someone who needs to use a hearing aid or a person who has a tremor and finds those small icons hard to click and harder still to click only once, when they do hit their target!^2 These are only things I've thought of just now. An innovation which may start off helping one group of people may have the potential to help many others. Fortunately for me, I do have any physical issue using phones or other portable devices so as above if you know of a how or a what that addresses this point kindly let me know.^3

The Live Tiles only virtue it appeared to me was that they might well make WP less challenging for some people.


1 At the time, capacitive touch was new and shiny.

2 Don't forget each of these click events is recorded and may well end up activating a control that hasn't even been drawn yet.

3 As has been well publicised audio described controls for the visually impaired.

PJ

@John Phamlore, support from a chipset maker is not quite the same thing as a device from a phone maker or a distribution deal with an operator. Think what Mozilla announced in MWC vs. what Jolla announced.

PJ

Funny how people think that SD card is omitted because of license costs and not because omitting SD card makes it possible to have a $100 price tag for 16GB of flash...

Winter

@PJ
"Funny how people think that SD card is omitted because of license costs and not because omitting SD card makes it possible to have a $100 price tag for 16GB of flash..."

In a cut-throat competitive market, getting rid of a $10 patent rent license is significant. For $10, you can add considerable fixed memory to your standard model. Space that will make a difference in the market.

DS

On correction. Samsung basically has broken all ties with MeeGo to the point Tizen can no longer be considered MeeGo descendant.
They replaced native api with one derived directly from Bada (which is widely considered poorly designed). No QT traces left in its phone incarnation.
Tizen is Bada/Linux, nothing more.

John Phamlore

Samsung goes where they want, does what they want, because they make stuff.

It's surprising to me on a site that has tried to diversify into politics that the focus isn't on what certain Asian countries are doing right in industrial policy to advance their own interests. Samsung is South Korea's national champion, and Korea works hard to make sure Samsung has the resources to spend on vital components such as their own fabs.

Samsung owns their owns fabs, is developing their own LTE baseband chipset, and is developing their own ARM SoC. That takes money and longterm patient investment. Similarly Huawei is one of China's national champions and they are following a similar path.

Get stuff, own stuff, make stuff.

Pre-Elop Nokia ran as fast as they could away from these principles and paid the price. Nokia went from a position where they owned the IP for the entire phone stack to owning nothing for how to make an LTE baseband chipset. It's the worst failure at choosing the right technological direction in our lifetime.

Intel bought Infineon. Nvidia bought Icera. Qualcomm bought AMD mobile GPU business, developed their own ARM SoC, and went all-in on LTE. Ericsson with prominent announcements at MWC 2007 and 2008 went all-in with LTE at a time when it appeared WiMAX would be first out of the gate.

Nokia alone chose to follow WiMAX not LTE. That is the reason Nokia is dying now.

ejvictor

Time to laugh...

In a video interview with Bloomberg this week during the Mobile World Congress trade show, reporter Caroline Hyde asked Elop if Windows Phone had a chance at being the second biggest operating system. Elop responded with the rather bold quote, "It can be the biggest operating system in the world."

ejvictor

On the NEW OS front - facts speak louder then marketing

Four video demonstrations

Firefox http://youtu.be/kqjI5gAohdI
Ubuntu http://youtu.be/sLtcj7FdIYA
Sailfish http://youtu.be/HpddtwIH-_g
Tizen http://youtu.be/PJkbevJg4-E

Which product looks the most mature? Runs the most apps, provides a unique user experince?

Vote!

Tester

@ejvictor:

My take based on those 4 videos:

Ubuntu > Sailfish > Tizen > Firefox.

Strange (or maybe not?) that the most hyped ones end up last.

Firefox couldn't impress me at all (looks boring and even in the video they explicitly say it's HTML5 only) and Tizen also doesn't look like a game changer. For me both of these are only pushed for political reasons, not because they represent something the public needs.

Sailfish and Ubuntu on the other hand - they in fact do look different than current offerings. And I actually like them both.

Thank god they all avoid even close rsemblance with Windows Phone. From a pure UI design perspective I'd still rank it worst with a comfortable margin to any competitor.

cycnus

As I said in the previous post on the other thread/subject.

FireOS won't be fighting Android/iOS. It will fight against FeaturePhone+ such as Nokia Asha (S40 on steroid). It will power the US$ 30 - US$70 phone. It main feature were LIGHT and EASY.

ejvictor

@ Tester
I worry about Ubuntu's usability as a "mobile" device - I mean using it while walking! Left App launcher a problem for large screen devices, and the options on pulldown- might be hard to select reliably while walking/moving.

ejvictor

@ Cycnus
How can fireos be targeted at low end user when HTML 5 needs to be connected? Hence data plan, hence $$$

Spawn

@ejvictor

The Sailfish clip has a horrible background-wallpaper leading to a bad impression compared to Ubuntu Phone. Text and icons are not readable and look more disconnected. I think with a better, more soft, lesser disturbing wallpaper impression may different.

The Ubuntu Phone drop-down indeed is hard to take. Those fast switching captions have frustration potential. I hope that concept is going to change. The sidebar may become a problem with increased nimber of icons. That means it can only be used as favorite-bar and duplicates the home-screen. As quick-launcher it may still useful or as useful like other quick-launchers are.

Tizen, boring. But that may an advantage for some. Yet I found the N9's simplicity not boring. FirefoxOS isn't an option at all. Also cause of the limitations but thay may again an advantage for some users.

Sailfish and Ubuntu are equally place 1 and 2. Then a long gap and after that Tizen on 3. Then an even longer gap and FirefoxOS.

cycnus

@Spawn

The strength of FireFoxOS is THEY DON'T NEED ECOSYSTEM. THE WEB IS THE ECOSYSTEM. But in order to embrace this, the FireFoxOS should do the BottomUp approach. So, for the first couple of months/year it would be targeted at LOW END FIRST.

Imagine this.... A phone + web browser... that's it.
It's target it's a person that don't care about apps, and have the occasional need for web.
It's simple to use, because it's like the OLD FEATURE PHONE. The main apps on the phone will be PHONE (CALL), SMS, Photo/Video, Galery, Music.
The 'apps' is just a shortcut/bookmark to web pages.
It's like the Nokia Asha (S40) ***MINUS THE JAVA***
Battery life would be VERY LONG.

It would be like ChromeOS, but for phone.

cycnus

@Spawn

First,
although it's HTML5 OS, you don't have to connect to internet if you only want to use it for Call, SMS/MMS, photo, music.

Second,
Connecting to the internet is not as costly as it used to be. In the last couple of year the price of connecting to the internet in developed country already at the affordable level. Lots of family that were considered at poor level by the western standard have a handphone (or 2) that were used by it's family member and USE THE INTERNET to connect with other family member and to socialize.

example in Indonesia were an income of around US$ 80 can afford US$ 3.5/month - US$ 5/month internet (Unlimited, with 800MB FUP ). Which is MORE THAN enough for light browsing with Opera web browser and for facebook & twitter.

and, also the price of internet is as already low as US$ 0.12/day (at least in Indonesia)... Yes, it's NOT a type... 12 cent (US-dollar) for DAILY internet.

cycnus

@Spawn

I agree with your thought about Ubuntu. I really hate that's UNITY sidebar. It really hard to use.


Lasko

I think the main issue with Unity is that it is almost non-configurable.

If they address this problem, I think I'm having a hard time understanding all the hatred against Unity.

Tester

@cycnus:

>> It's like the Nokia Asha (S40) ***MINUS THE JAVA***

Excactly! It's a glorified feature phone, not a smartphone!

cycnus

@Tester

Disclaimer, I have no information at all about FireFoxOS, what I'm gonna write bellow is just an educational guess.

I certainly don't know what will Mozilla do with their OS, but they could LET DEVELOPER write a WEB-APP. A web-app is an HTML5 file/app on our phone. So, for example, instead of loading the WHOLE facebook web, it only load the data and have the 'frame' in the phone. and it will be in pure HTML5.

If my above guess is true, what make me curious about this were, since HTML5 would be just plain text, anyone can 'see' the HTML code and change/hack it. Perhaps some malicious hacker could put a trojan apps? I really wonder how secure this HTML5 approach were.

cycnus

@Lasko

Somehow I feel that Canonical proud about Unity as much as Microsoft proud about Metro.

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