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February 26, 2013


John Phamlore

@Janne Explain to me how Android isn't a manufacturer independent (mobile) OS. I thought I read on this site from Tomi himself how Android was going to wind up in all sorts of devices and not just mobile. He's probably right, because Google with Android solved the problem of providing Chinese hardware makers an OS where they could peacefully load in their binary blobs for drivers and go about actually making stuff.

This push for alternatives to Android reminds me of Woody Allen in the movie Sleeper when he explains to Diane Keaton: "In a year's time we'll be stealing Erno's nose."


@John Phamlore
The ext2 remark is bollocks. DVD Forum and BDA went with UDF, which is an open standard and BSD licensed implementations exist. Why not SD Association? Because they were in Microsoft's pockets. Now they are seeing the backlash because more and more manufacturers don't install SD slots into their devices in order to avoid paying exFAT licensing fees.

Janne Särkelä

@John, yeah I realized the mistake. The difference is in the freedom of installing a new OS on your device of choice.


@John Phamlore.

The Linux kernel used in Android is GPLed including the ext2/3/4 and fat filesystem drivers. So where is your argument?


Another nice side effect for Google of seeing fewer SD card slots in Anroid devices is that it will lead to higher usage of (Google's) cloud services.


If I recall N8 & co were not really that competitive against the competition...

Regarding Jolla, I'm starting to get the feeling that it is now too much behind the other newcomers to be in the game. We really need to hear something real soon now, or never will.

John Phamlore

@PJ My understanding is that Jolla, while promising to support other chipsets, has as announced partners one, ST-Ericsson:’s-sailfish-os/

The problem is ST-Ericsson is possibly the weakest partner one could possibly have as at least one partner and maybe both would like to bail from this joint venture:

Hardware and manufacturing information like this that seems vital to understanding who is the strong horse needs to be covered more on this site in my opinion.

Sander van der Wal

Everybdy who doesn't make money with Android devices is looking for an alternative, or a way to make Google pay them.

Samsung is selling Galaxies. Not Android devices, even though these are Android devices. But the consumer doesn't see the Android brand. and this makes it possible for Samsung to move to Tizen. But Tizen is HTML5, which is a problem.

Android is in trouble, and this is an opportunity for Windows Phone.


@Sander van der wal

"Android is in trouble, and this is an opportunity for Windows Phone."

Really? What trouble? Please enlighten me please!!!! Because I think WP and BB10 is the one in trouble.
USA DoD approve Android and iOS to be their phone. NO WP, NO BB.

Pentagon Will Expose BlackBerry to Attacks From Apple and Android
February 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm PT

The U.S. Department of Defense has long been a BlackBerry stronghold, but that may soon change thanks to a new policy the agency will adopt next year.

In February of 2014, the Pentagon will broadly open its networks to iPhones and iPads and smartphones and tablets running Google’s Android OS. Rather than issue its employees the same device, the agency wants to offer them a choice of devices. “We’re going to be device agnostic,” Air Force Maj. Gen. Robert Wheeler, the Pentagon’s deputy chief information officer, said during a press conference Tuesday, adding that this does not mean the Pentagon is embracing a “Bring Your Own Device” plan.

Rather, the DoD is going multi-vendor and offering any company that can meet its stringent security guidelines the chance to compete for what are surely some very lucrative contracts.

That’s bad news for BlackBerry, of course. The company is by far the Pentagon’s biggest supplier of smartphones. Of the 600,000-plus mobile devices in use by the agency, 470,000 are BlackBerrys. That could begin to change next year when the new policy goes into effect. Certainly, it seems likely to usher in a new era of competition for the Pentagon’s business — which is not to say BlackBerry will lose the traction it has established with the DoD, just that it’s going to have to fight a lot harder to retain it.


@Sander van der Wal

> Samsung is selling Galaxies. Not Android device

Like Nokia is selling Lumia, not WP devices.

> But Tizen is HTML5, which is a problem.

Tizen 2.0 ships with the full Bada C++ API making native Bada apps working on Tizen and enabling unlimited POSIX native access including high level C++ native API's.

Tizen IVI even has Qt making it compatible with BB10, QNX, JollaMobile Sailfish, MeeGo, Ubuntu, Symbian (plus Android, Windows x86, OSX, iOS), etc.

HTML5 makes it compatible with FirefoxOS, Chromebook, WebOS.

What does WP8 have? Nothing of that. No POSIX, no native toolkit, no good HTML5 support (IE10 doesn't even support WebGL), no interoperability to anything. Not even to there very own Windows x86.

>Android is in trouble, and this is an opportunity for Windows Phone.

That opportunity closed long ago. Today its known, proven and got just confirmed by Bill Gatea himself that WP8 failed.

Cristian Radu

@Wayne Borean

In my humble opinion people here are overestimating "variety" when it comes to mobile OSes. This is isn't a goal in itself, it's not a selling point for the consumer ("We have the most distinctive OS ever, come and buy it!"). We now have what, like 6-8 mobile ecosystems? How more varied can you go with 12-15? Do you think one of these will lose multitasking just to be varied or all of them will have a form of multitasking?
Just how varied a square displaying information can we draw? We'll have custom sized squares, red squares, round corners squares, etc. and you think customers will go "no, no, no, I'll only buy the OS with the round squares windows, not the one with circle icons!"
I mean, look at iOS6, it still looks like a few years ago and a large chunk of the market still uses it.

I'm still considering that in the future app support and content will be more important than how varied your OS is when compared to the other 10 OSes out there. The more OSes that appear, the less relevant they become. Just like on a TV set, I don't care what OS is running on my TV, I just want to get to my movies and shows.


@Christian Radu.

I also have the same thinking as you. Maybe I'm too old... lol.
I love Windows UI/UX before the Win8 (NOTE: I don't use Windows, my last windows is Windows 95).
I love the 'old' KDE desktop in ubuntu rather the 'NEW' unity desktop.
I think Apple iOS UI/UX is BETTER than WP8. icon/picture telling a more vibrant message, and live tiles make me headache.
I love the Symbian/Android icon+widget than WP8 live tiles.

Maybe ALL THE NEW UI is the OVER-DO research. They trying to be unique, they trying to be cool, and lost the real meaning of UI/UX.


Usually I love this blog but now I gotta be the splinter under the nail :)

What's with the affection to NTT Docomo? It's just a Japanese carrier. I'd follow what Telefonica does since it encompasses pretty much the entire Spanish speaking world.

Any of us who actually used the N8 and N7 remember that they were just barely usable. Nokia was able so shove them down our throats just by their huge momentum. The iPhone 4 was a BETTER phone, for example. My spouse used my old N8 up until just now when it broke and I've used the iPhone 4S for a while (and as you all say nothing has changed since iPhone 2G ;P) and the difference in usability is obvious, was from the beginning. Well that's history now isn't it.

Aren't you hearing something more in Bill Gates' words than he actually said? I've read what he says and I think your just mincing words or at the least. slightly stretching them.

Come on, I can't be the only one who thinks this way! :)


"Android is in trouble, and this is an opportunity for Windows Phone."

Thank you for that good laugh.


"They trying to be unique, they trying to be cool, and lost the real meaning of UI/UX."

Metro is the perfect example for this.

It has been completely shredded by user interface experts, it has been shredded by the press, it has been shredded by its own customers during the CP and DP reviews - and still it has been released just because it was 'different'.

I recently stumbled across a picture of the MWC showing one of those Lumia devices which pretty much shows all the failures of this user interface in a single picture.

Just take a look at the following picture and try to tell me which of the tiles I have to press to start a random application.


"Android is in trouble, and this is an opportunity for Windows Phone."

True words from the Black Knight


From Nokia Conversations on the rebranding of Nokia Maps:

HERE works best with Nokia Lumia, but in a joint effort to further strengthen the Windows Phone ecosystem, Microsoft and Nokia are making HERE Maps, HERE Drive and HERE Transit available to people with any Windows Phone 8 smartphone. This exclusive offer is available in US, Canada, Mexico, UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

‘These announcements firmly establishes HERE as a horizontal brand and thoughtfully-tiered service offering. It should benefit broad developer communities, generate significant new value for Nokia, and let Nokia retain the ability to differentiate its Lumia products with unique experiences’ said John Jackson, Research VP, Mobile & Connected Platforms, IDC.

What? Nokia is bringing this to WP8 phones from their competitors and it somehow helps them to differentiate their Lumia phones. Sorry, but I don't get this.


@cycnus: "because it's a Finnish company?" - NO, unfortunately(?) it is not a Finnish company.
It is an international company owned and controlled mainly by international - American? - funds...


@Cristian Radu:

>> In my humble opinion people here are overestimating "variety" when it comes to mobile OSes.

Agreed. I really don't see such a plan taking off. On low end feature phone substitutes, yes, it may succeed - and that's the only place where I see FirefoxOS - as a unified operating system for low cost phones targeted at people not interested in extensive app use.

Anyone who plans to use their phone for more serious computing tasks won't have much of a choice aside from Android and iOS. The carriers may try to push those new systems as much as they like - but they won't attract many customers outside of the group that is of no commercial interest for app developers. As a conclusion of this, app support on these phones will be poor.

Yes, they may gain some market share if they remain cheap - but as soon as they have to compete with real smartphones that can run real apps on the same price level I don't see much of a commercial viability in them.

By now Android must be considered the de-facto Windows of Mobile. It's hard to fight against such a position, especially when you take Android plus iOS together. As an app developer I have no interest in seeing more systems emerge as important to support - and I guess I'm not alone. This is probably one big part of why app support on WP is so poor. If that system takes off seriously it'd mean a lot more work for us developers. Should even more systems become relevant we'd be back in the bad old Java Mobile days where we had to support hundreds of devices, all incompatible with each other.

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