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January 04, 2013

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Spawn

@udk

> Making applications for both Symbian and MeeGo

This EXACTLY not and I have no idea where you got that from. Transition, not replacement. I repeat: soft switch, not abort, rewrite everything.

You know Symbian API's where C++ (kind of but uglyyyy) and Qt is too? For Java ME you are doomed anyways since not even Android or Oravcle Java are compatible. But you could embed a Java ME into your C/C++ apps... and maybe risk be sued by Oracle :-)

> Now when you talk about market share heavy Symbian, what do you actually mean?

See Tomi's articles.

> if the application needs multitouch capable touch screen, how many compatible phones there are?

Every single Symbian^3 phone that ever existed?

> How many applications were really targeted for both touch screen and conventional phones?

Read up on Nokia Asha. Conventional phones have touch screens!

> So, how big was the Symbian market in early 2011 if the intention was to make applications for multitouch touch screen phones?

Read Tomi's articles.

ukd

@Spawn

I'll answer myself if you didn't know.

In the beginning of 2011 the market share heavy Symbian multitouch had 5 million units sold (Multitouch). That's all.

Almost all old applications should have been rewritten.

zlutor

@ukd: "Besides, do you know how much Qt applications there was for Symbian? Not too many because Nokia was not shipping Qt with Symbian phones. It was not possible to convert most of legacy applications wit Qt."

Not really...

Qt - and even QML - is available for S60v5+ phones, too. Not to mention, it is possible to create installation packages for Symbian phones automatically downloading all the missing components being available on demand for the certain phone model... There are restriction - e.g. QtQuic1.0 is available for S60v5 phones - but in general it is available...

So, from e.g. Nokia 5800 Xpress Music to N9 you have Qt/QML support...

eq

> I can't speak for all of Europe, of course, but here in Germany a credit card is not really that useful. The most popular cash free payment method here uses a different kind of card, controlled directly by the banks and is (not surprisingly) a lot cheaper for its users. As a result many stores do not even accept credit cards. Essentially, for store-shopping it's a completely redundant item.

(OT, I read the blog...) I agree, although I'm not german - learned that the hard way as not even McDonald's would accept my credit cards the last time I visited (although the way I figured it was that locals would just use plain cash instead of cards).

One thing I can't relate is when you discuss the price of different cards. Why would you pay for a credit card, especially if you don't need credit and thus aren't conserned about the credit rates? The credit card companies get a cut from each purchase anyway; do you have to pay for that yourself in Germany? And surely banks would offset the cost of basic cards for their key customers? Well, perhaps it's different in Germany.

deadbeefcafe

Reminds me of this Catch-22 quote:
"Colonel Cargill was a forceful, ruddy man. Before the war, he had been an alert, hard-hitting, aggressive marketing executive. He was a very bad marketing executive. Colonel Cargill was so bad a marketing executive that his services were much sought after by firms eager to establish losses for tax purposes. Throughout the civilized world, from Battery Park to Fulton Street, he was known as a dependable man for a fast tax write-off. His prices were high, for failure often did not come easily. He had to start at the top and work himself down, and with sympathetic friends in Washington, losing money was no simple matter. It took months of hard work and careful misplanning. A person misplaced, disorganized, miscalculated, overlooked everything and opened every loophole, and just when he thought he had it made, the government gave him a lake or a forest or an oilfield and spoiled everything. Even with such handicaps, Colonel Cargill could be relied on to run the most prosperous enterprise into the ground. He was a self-made man who owed his lack of success to nobody."

Amir

I'd like to add a word to what I have read here.

I am not a business expert. But as such one can see from an airplane that what is done to Nokia by bad management decisions is hardly a coincidence.

You already talk about burning platform and MS anouncement. How about releasing brand new phone and at the same time say that is the last in the row. And then say: OK, now you saw it but it's gonna be awailable in a few months!!??? How is that for textbook product release? And then: by accident you let a leak of first Lumia few days later....

But we have to be fair and say that Nokia was having quite a few bad decisions prior Elop. They droped S80 to have a "unified" platform and doing so killed the supersmartphone - Communicator line. Then they refused to see that they have to speed up with Maemo. And rest is well known.

Latest news say MS and Huawey are buying Nokia. Who would of guessed...?

zeebra

Nokia had a habit of making lots of different handsets to try out many different strategies. This would have continued if not for Elop, and one of those or several is more than likely to have succeeded.

Jane

This site really has all of the information and facts I wanted about this subject and didn't know who to ask.

Interested

I am an engineer working in this industry and have worked at the time Android and Apple became popular. My company also worked with both Nokia and Samsung providing baseband chipsets. In my and many other's view, here is the problem with Nokia as we saw it from chipset supplier point of view:
1. We sold the same exact chipsets to Nokia and Samsung (one small diff in the nokia security). With this exact same chipset, Samsung went to market much faster, and did it with Smartphones. Nokia took twice as long to get phone to market, and delivered feature flip phone. It was a sign of the end, circa 2008-2010.
2. Android and iOS blew Nokia out of the water with Apps infrastructure. Everyone wanted apps, available widely with Google and Apple. Nokia could not make this model work successfully in time, they had to do something. The mistake here was partnering with Microsoft which was death nail in the coffin. Had they offered phones with Android, which would have been easy, sales would not have suffered that much and we would still have Nokia in volume today.

My opinion is that the was a stubbornness, inability to change, even when it was already obvious and with time to rescue the company.

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