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September 05, 2012

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Naikon

@q2

One comment,... W8 "ecosystem" is not out yet. I still can't see it's so huge and important. The only thing we know is that WP8 is good in searching restaurants, and that's all.

Free Wilhelm

If Windows is such a great ecosystem, why is the software to connect that ecosystem with a phone so abysmally bad? Zune, like its ActiveSync precursors, is so useless it drives people actively away from trying to get anything done with it.

Add to that the fact that Microsoft has abandoned quite a few technologies and products in the past and you have a real trust issue there. Why should anyone invest into a Microsoft tech again when he was burned before with a previous iteration of Windows Phone, with a Zune device or MPC?

Also, not offering upgrade paths from older versions of Windows phone OS and the incompatibilities between all those systems are a an absolute disgrace for a company that is supposed to be the biggest and best in the world. In reality it is the size of Microsoft itself that makes it completely inflexible. The Windows API architecture is so bloated with obsolete crap that it will always obstruct creating a small and fast phone OS.

Naikon

It's a kind of man-made believe. We definitely know that Microsoft is big, so big that they can't fail, right? That's why WP8 & W8 are so big and doomed to success. We believe it, even we hardly know them. Yes, it's starting to roll. It's more often to see WP8 app together with iOS & Android versions.
But I still think it's something that Microsoft wants us to believe.

vladkr

@Naikon:

The same was thought about General Motors, Lehman Brothers, and more generally about the US.

You know how Lehman Brothers ended, that General Motors is maintained artificially alive by Canadian and US subsidies... and the US... well is not as healthy and wealthy as before.

Too big to fail you said ?

vladkr

it took 18 months for Elop to sink Nokia, how much time will be needed for Ballmer to ruin Microsoft definitely?

vladkr

Come on Baron95, Silicon Valley is a nice place, but it's a retirement home and a graveyard. The moving part of the world is in Asia (China + Korea).

Everything is not that bright in Northern California : unemployment is high, and more and more people are underpaid. For one Apple, Google or Oracle, there are hundreds, if not thousands ephemeral startups which die as fast as they appear.

Ullip

Now everybody sees how bad Symbian is. BUTTT! if Elop would not have said it loud, nobody would have noticed - at least this fast.

But Nokia is SOOOO slow...two models are coming in the next November. YAWN! Nobody gives a FF* about it then!

Silicon Valley boys are running circles around Nokia and poking it with sharp sticks!

(*) Flying %#&/"

Equity tips

nokia is great and very big company. i think it will solve all problems of it's product. so i am not worried about it.

Naikon

@ Equity tips
correction, - Nokia _was_ a very big company.

Talking about California... what we have now, - handsets made in China running software designed in U.S.A.
The very last Nokia, Nokia N9 was designed in Finland and made in Salo/Finland with software designed in Finland.
Lumia/Asha is designed in China, manufactured in China/India and runs software from U.S.A./India (well, hope S40 is still coded in Finland)

Jonn

This is a company and CEO that is truly out of touch with the masses

Bog

Hi Tomi

An interesting one this Microsoft Phone 8X and 8S from HTC! That's just pitting HTC against Nokia. I don't know if it's just me but I'm puzzled about the new developments.

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Anonymous Coward

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/47601/htc-now-lead-windows-phone-8-partner

Now if this turns out to be true, I guess it's pretty much the Final Kiss of Death by Microsoft. Poor Nokia. But there's no-one to blame but the Nokia Board. One should've known just too well where "exclusive" partnering with Ballmer gang eventually leads to, i.e. the partnering company is destined to enter the Netherworld while Microsoft sucking the vital juices out of the dying carcass of the company during the process. Just go ahead and ask IBM (OS/2 business), SGI, Sendo, and others, or what ever left of these ventures, how much value did their partnership with Microsoft brought into their business in the bitter end.

Aluk Sky

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/19/3356676/htc-microsoft-windows-phone-8-marketing-partnership

HTC: "It will be a joint marketing campaign where our devices will be the signature devices, almost the face of Windows Phone 8 in the marketing collateral with Microsoft."

That's it, Nokia. Fold it and go home. Don't forget to turn off the lights.

Patrik

.yada yada.. Since when where mpix an xenon flash most important for camera technology. Read your homework before shitting out cap!

MarcoAustria

LG now confirmed that its new Nexus Device with Wireless charging built in
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/lg-optimus-nexus-specs-leak-out-will-have-wireless-charging-from-day-one/

That means that the Lumia "exclusive" feature is also matched by the competition.
In comparison the phone has a bigger screen, double CPU power and double RAM.
Due to the use of soft buttons (on the screen), the dimensions might be almost identical to the Lumia (see Optimus G).


Feature . . . . Lumia 920 . . LG Optimus Nexus
Year . . . . . . 2012 Q4 . . . 2012 Q4
OS . . . . . . . WP 8 . . . . . Android 4.2 (direct updates from Google due to Nexus Line)
Screen . . . . 4.5". . . . . . . 4.7"
Memory . . . . 32 GB . . . .. 16 GB
MicroSD . . . no . . . . . . . . no
Camera . . . . 8mp . . . . . . . 13mp/8mp
Flash . . . . . LED . . . . . . . LED
Second cam . yes . . . . . . . yes
LTE . . . . . . . yes . . . . . . . yes
NFC. . . . . . . yes . . . . . . . yes
Video out . . . no . . . . . . . . no
Qi* . . . . . . . yes . . . . . . . yes

CPU . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . 4
RAM . . . . . . . 1 GB. . . . . . 2 GB
non-removable
battery . . . . . yes . . . . . . yes
Weight . . . 185 g . . . . . . . . TBD

Dimensions
Lumia 920 . . 130.3 x 70.8 x 10.7 mm,
LG Optimus. . 131.9 x 68.9 x 8.5 mm

The LG Optimus Nexus is based on the Optimus G, a comparison between the Lumia 920 vs. the Optimus G.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=4941

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My own reaction was, "this is a rerun of Windows Phone 7.5 release. Nokia and Microsoft stirred up the expected but deliver a mediocre products. This is a Windows Phone 8 more mature and more support, but is still less than all other operating system. Hardware from nokia is good but not great not, just like the last time. Although sd card support on Windows 8, nokia leave it. Nokia also decided not to include a HDMI output, the top of the Android mobile phones have today. They also abuse their PureView brand. In short, nokia and Microsoft still behind the competition and cell phone still looks more like a function than mobile phones, robots or aesthetic function of packaging iPhone. They can't keep up with and Microsoft, and slow down the nokia than help them due to the limitations of Microsoft.
Sales figures, I think this phone will not sell worse, in front of the iterative but roughly the same. Maybe a generous 15 million a year. The initial sales will not so bad, if they are playing Christmas market, but it to drop quickly, because more and more people found Lumias very limited several methods.
Same old story, Mr Ballmer and Emmanuel roper is playing the same old horse, they have been for several years. Microsoft than this more early and Zune.
Nokia and Microsoft last chance? I don't know, it's like an old cartoon, each episode is about the same. Next, we will hear "the best in the Windows Phone x".

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Yes, the main problem here is that this is a strategy that was clearly made at a point in time when they thought that the lumia series would succeed, after all this is more about refining the lumia, than rethinking it!

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