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June 14, 2012

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MarcoAustria

There are two insightful articles, which describe a year ago (on March 15 2011) what is going to happen. I close with a citation of the first link. “… and the only losers are the loyal employees of a once great company and it’s stockholders. The only thing left to do at this point is to watch it unfold.”

“Microsoft gutted Nokia and runs off with IP
Finns on lifesupport until MS hardware arrives”
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/15/microsoft-gutted-nokia-and-runs-off-with-ip/

“Microsoft gutted Nokia and left them without a chance
The Manchurian CEO did his Job as ordered”
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/14/microsoft-gutted-nokia-and-left-them-without-a-chance/

John Hanley @ liquidators

This is really an amazing story for the business looking forward to really in this conflict..

nokdown

microsoft is the only company that can takeover nokia.
especially while elop is ceo, no other company will reach out to nokia with a barge pole.

r.i.p. nokia
r.i.p. finland

the finns dont care enough to protect their own company and economy.

elm70

@URNumber6

Excellent post.

I have seen other company falling as quick and deeply like Nokia before (but not as as big as Nokia was) ... but in other countries stock holder, and country governance step in and check illegal activities done by corrupted senior management ...

It is totally not understandable how nobody in Finland is moving even a single finger against the CRIMINAL Elop.

After 11.2.2011 (Symbian got killed) ... now 14.6.2012 (S40 got killed) ... all done for give space to the Microsoft unwanted mobile OS.

The destruction mission now is completed.
Nokia is empty, the criminals have now access to Nokia IPR, Nokia Brand, for free.

Elop should share his residence with Madoff, he should be in jail.
Jorma Ollila shold be investigated as well, since he did open the door to Elop, and was with him most of the time.

But, I'm afraid people in Finland still believe in Santa Claus, and their eyes are not trained to see the acts of mafia.

Tchuss

e_lm_70

anti

@elm70: I still believe in Santa Claus, what's wrong with that?

vladest

@anti: the problem is that there is no Santa Claus to save biggest Finn company, except finns themselves...but they doesn't care it seems

elm70

@anti

I'm confused, I did admire Nokia as a company the best technology company in EU (it was), I did love Finland and Finns people (again both among the best in Europe and the world in many aspects, like the best educated people as PISA tell us since year and years, are from Finland or Finns schools)

But, I'm shocked how a CRIMINAL like Elop is allowed in Finland to destroy a company like Nokia.

Angela Merkel did not allowed Marchionne to put a finger over OPEL.
After BenQ acquisition, many Siemens managers have been under investigations
Etc etc, not only Germany, but Italy, France, Spain ... all these countries did protect their mayor companies from illegal activity especially if these action came from abroad.

Tchuss

e_lm_70

elm70

@vladest.

Ex biggest Finn company ... even Rovio has bigger market capitalization then Nokia now :(

fantômas1970

@e_lm_70, @URNumber6

as an European, I feel devastated...
Nokia may move to RedMond.
What a shame!


Nick

We all knew that eventually all Nokia SW was going to be made by MS. Nokia does nothing more than the shell and electronics. Now we are very close to that point. With all internal OS development now dead Nokia has lost all control to MS. I think that Meltemi was the last great project within Nokia. MS could just by away what is left that would probably be best for what is left of Nokia.

MikaA

Personally, I'm against any Finnish government action to support or back Nokia - I'm already angered by other stupid commitments by them; we don't need to increase the unsustainable tax burden with a corporate bailout. A lot of people are asking why don't we do anything about this, but well, the Finnish shareholders hold about 17% of the total shares, so you *REALLY* need to look somewhere else. It simply cannot be justified from Finnish point of view. It is the shareholders and BOD that should be held responsible, not the rest of us taxpayers.

So let those who make mistakes crash. The company reputation is already bad, and the recovery to any sustainable level would be next to impossible, let alone difficult from the legal point of view. Had this happened 10 years ago, it would be different (Finnish ownership included), but now, I think we can take the losses. I'm all for criminal investigation of the actions of the BOD and the management, but I do acknowledge that it will NOT bring the company back. Those who have already left the company are not likely going to come back, and it remains to be seen what is the worth of IPR when the people who actually developed those things are gone. Question goes, how well do Mosaid patent engineers know that somebody has been violating a patent? We are likely going to see a slow down of mobile research and development until the coming IP war is over.

Locally here in Oulu, I'm eager to support ex-Nokia engineers in finding jobs (we might have a couple of positions open) and I sincerely hope that they get the economical reforms done in time to support a flurry of start up companies.

For the rest of us, it's time to let go and move on. If you are really worried about Nokia engineers (MeeGo, Meltemi and rest of the great guys), look forward to Tizen! Some of that will go back to the ex-MeeGo and ex-Meltemi guys. I must say though, that Microsoft might have miscalculated the risks of this one too. They have just pissed off quite a fraction of people, which might come back to them.

cycnus

@SplitNokia

... "There is a way to get rid of that agreement. Split the company into
... pieces and keep Nokia Corp as pure Windows smartphone entity.
... Microsoft then needs to make a call if"

Apparently, it's already done behind the scene...
Samsung take over the meego project and will release tizen.
and if samsung can get the nokia meltemi team, it would be awesome.

samsung is the new nokia.
and it's also as blue as nokia (in logo color)

M developer

Tomi. Read this. The feedback has been best for Nokia products evere http://www.puhelinvertailu.com/uutiset.cfm/2012/06/14/nokia_ei_aio_enaa_jatkaa_meltemin_kehittamista

Mush

@Jeff Koss

I guess many here have read that article you refer to.

Elop mentions in the article that "So by actually controlling the Skype asset, we can begin a conversation about how we can have a better Skype-based relationship, which was impossible for operators to do before."

"Beginning of the conversation" doesn't sound like we are going to see big revenues coming from Skype business very soon, and there isn't anything concrete to support that it is ever going work like Elop/MS wishes. So we have nothing but Mr. Elop's wishful thinking about the matter, and truthfully only a few think that he is a very credible source of information anymore.

And by the way, if Skype indeed would become a revenue generator, who would benefit it the most? Operators? Nokia? Microsoft? Customers?

P910i...

Interestingly, Microsoft by now seems to put the blame on Nokia for the poor sell-through of WP7 devices (from an article of Microsoft‘s new tablet): "Industry sources who spoke with Wu indicated that one of the reasons Microsoft has decided to take more control and produce its own hardware is the lackluster results Nokia has had selling devices based on the Windows Phone platform. Despite heavy promotion and advertising and carrier desire to have a viable alternative to Android and iOS, Windows Phone 7 has found disappointing customer acceptance."

Shaw Wu is an "analyst", thus his words might have to be taken with a grain of salt.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/19/aggressive_pricing_seen_as_key_to_microsoft_surfaces_chance_of_success.html

AtTheBottomOfTheHilton

Splitting the company is an interesting idea. The problem is what to do with Symbian, Qt and Meego. Microsoft would never allow these technologies out of Nokia so that they can compete again.

Otto

Nokia should first fire Elop and other trojans he has taken with him. Then make a separate company where all this non-Microsoft stuff is put, make the organisation of it agile and give it all the assests. The shares of the new company for the current stakeholders as a dividend.

Let the MS-poisoned Nokia go bankrupt.

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