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June 14, 2012



Just to correct my earlier posting. Total Meltemi org was a bit over 1000 people. This included HW guys too. So # of Meltemi SW developers was less. Still 100s though + subcontracted guys.


Is there any official info about ending 'next billion & QT' strategy? Or any official info about Meltemi?
They were planning to release two devices within months, weren't they?


@zlutor, nothing official from Nokia PR (then again they never officially said they are working on it), but Naren Karattup, Eero Penttinen and Felipe Contreras confirmed it on Tweeter - all of them work at Nokia, directly on Meltemi or close to the Meltemi project.


@zlutor, why would a company provide official info on killing something that never existed officially? Maybe 'M' was just a big internal joke to make people believe there was something to replace S40 and keep Qt guys busy. Instead they made S40 full touch :-)



For two devices: Yes, the project was close to deliver but compared to Meego there is no contract with another company what means we will never ever see the results.

That is very sad. From what I know Meltimi was Meego but with lots of performance-optimizations for low end hardware and yet a full Linux with all the applications.

RIP Nokia.

Earendil Star


Everything is going on according to plan.
Non WP relevant parts are regularly being divested and got rid of. THT Elop is continuing the Dark Lord's plan, as was clear from the beginning.
The spoils of Nokia will constitute the core of the future MS WP unit.
What MS got for free: patents (-> Mosaid & co.), Navteq (now that iMaps are out, do you think it's worth something? That's why it was immediately integrated into Bing Maps in 2011... ooops, what a coincidence!), SW & HW know how (yes, Nokia's own SW was years ahead of MS', let alone HW), carrier relations, brand recognition, you name it.
Why buy something out, when you can have it for free? Mafiosos don't pay, they take.
Everything looks really sketchy, but in the current day and age, regulators do not seem to mind any longer.
Slowly WP, the REAL BURNING PLATFORM, is being salvaged. And one of its most formidable competitors, Symbian/Meego, annihilated. That's the real story.
No, my friends, Symbian and Maemo/Meego were not burning at all. They were just a competitor that had to be destroyed as quickly as possible. And that's what THT Elop did. Mission accomplished!
The feature phone unit of Nokia a drag? For whom? Well... as usual... MS! Clearly, Meltemi was just one part of the mis-information campaign raging.
Nokia based its fortune outside the US? So? Why bother? Let's ditch the rest and let's gamble to gain a foothold in the US.
Yes, it will take time for WP to gain ground, but MS has plenty of cash coming from its PC monopoly. They will go on with their plan.
Lumia's are ALREADY outdated and won't be upgradable to WP8? Who cares! Just don't tell customers. That's why the specialized press and blogs are being paid for!
And if that does not work, there's astroturfing!

The only funny thing is that life's getting harder and harder for the usual trolls. But I'm sure they won't be discouraged.
They'll go on with their propaganda as if nothing had happened. Well, too bad. Then, we'll keep going on uncovering them.



One more thing. Nokia denies it's developers to contribute to opensource-projects now and are re-evaluating there patent-pool and IP-situation.

We may see soon an announcement that Nokia will be split with the patent-pool being purchased by Apple and Microsoft. Google's Motorola patent-pool is not enough to protect from that.


Didn't Eldar mention a while ago that Meltemi was just smoke and mirrors to keep people employed and that it would be canned quickly? It looks like he could be right on this occasion.


Here is the link to the Eldar tweet that I mentioned in previous post.


If my forecast is correct then google was a fool to not put more money and resources into Nokia adopting Android. They will pay now a way higher price to keep Android in the market. Patent War 2.0 is going to start. I am just sorry Nokia had to die for that.


@Spawn: sad thing about Meltemi devices. Thanks to Inter for my N9... :-(


Have you heard rumors spreading on the Finnish discussion boards about the Nokia-Microsoft contract? Based on the authors, Nokia has signed an exclusive agreement where it will not start any other smartphone projects in the future than based on the Windows Phone. Current projects, which can be useful for the Windows Phone platform will be completed, but the products will get minimum marketing. This has been (based on the rumors) the requirement for the platform support from Microsoft.

This may be the reason why Nokia did drop the support for the N9 phone. It had an agreement with Intel to make at least a one developer device with keyboard (N950) and a touch screen consumer model (N9) to several countries. This phone has been discontinued now. Also Pureview Symbian phone has been released too, because the project was very expensive and cannot be inplemented in the Windows Phone OS in a short time. Other new phones are S40 based (like Asha) which are considered as feature phones and may not risk Windows Phone platform success. N9 design was copied to Lumia 800/900 (+ part of the look and feel to S40 Asha) and Pureview is promised to be part of the Windows Phone 8 platform.

This agreement is rumored to be five years. If this this true the company has painted itself into a corner and cannot make Meltemi like products (which would be considered as smartphones), more MeeGo products (definitely smartphones) or develop new Symbian phones (which are smartphones). To make an Android phone, Nokia should pay all the platform support back to the Microsoft and maybe there is a fine multiplier too in the contract.

Some rumors also state that the Windows Phone channel is full of phones now and operators are not willing to take any more until the current ones are sold to the consumers. For example LG has not made any Windows Phones this year and they are still available in many countries.

The WP7/7.5 platform is based on the Windows CE and the new WP8 platform will be NT based with the new hardware. They are not upgradable from 7.5 to 8. Current OS will get a feature pack, but not full support of the WP8 features. The applications will be compatible from the previous version to WP8. It means, to get the WP8 features (like multitasking), you need a new phone. An ice cold shower for many users.

There may be only 3.5 million devices sold to the consumers until Q1/2012 during the WP lifetime (Google: "Microsoft Has Only Sold 3.5 Million Windows Phones To Date"). For example Samsung sells more Bada devices in a quarter and Google activates the same amount of Android devices in a week. This may be true if you look at the number of the Facebook application users. It has only 2 million users and the amount has increased very slowly according to the WMPowerUser stats. And these stats consists the whole Windows Phone platform, not only Nokia Lumias.

Nokia did bet on the dead horse.

Split Nokia

There is a way to get rid of that agreement. Split the company into pieces and keep Nokia Corp as pure Windows smartphone entity. Microsoft then needs to make a call if they want to keep it alive (=buy it for a premium). Refocus feature phone newco to Android / Mediatek and spin it off with capital injection from PE or from public offering. Sell Maps/Navteq separately. Sell patents separately (except the once you need to protect feature phone biz). Then you could build a competitive Android/Mediatek biz based on feature phone team. Huawei and ZTE would be happy to buy it.

I am really starting to believe best thing here is to split Nokia and sell the assets to the highest bidder. Much better than waiting for cash to dry out in a desperate push to compete in WP market against Samsung which will subsidize its WP offering with huge Android profits.


NYSE just opened, instant 13% share price drop! Reminds of the fateful Feb'11... Sad...


the fools!!! Royal Dutch Shell should definitely fire Jorma Olila as chairman of board-- before he shows his incompetence there also-- and finds a way to sell out to microsoft.

also, Finnish parliament should put stronger corporate governance laws in place-- I wish some political party takes this as a election promise to prevent another Elop from destroying Finnish industry.


I really don't understand why Nokia would have allowed Elop to strike such a deal? Microsoft was the company in DESPERATE need of help, not Nokia. Nokia should have called all the shots - no contract, rather an agreement that Nokia would develop SOME windows phones. Ability for Nokia to work on other OS's. Essentially, Nokia should have been the ones calling the shots!


-17,5% :-(

Nokia is willing to sell patents:

Is the Q2 situation so bad?


Tomi is again quick to jump to conclusions with nought point something data points, but this time he did get one thing right: it is a sad, sad day.



> I really don't understand why Nokia would have allowed Elop to strike such a deal?

I think it's about investmentfonds that put lots of money into Microsoft and Nokia. The idea was to make WP a success using Nokia and maximize profit. Somehow those investmentfonds where able to influence the decisions-making processes in Nokia.


Is there a death penalty in Finland?

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