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May 10, 2012

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CN

@PeterL

Your question "And where on Earth do you even hear Elop saying explicitly that operators are not selling Lumia???"

Nowhere, but Tomi knows it from independent "studies" made in few countries. I've jumped on him on the Finnish case where study is performed by commercial TV company, MTV3 and yellow press newspaper, Ilta-Sanomat. MTV3 visited 10 stores (six of them operator stores) and operators themselves publish very different sales lists, month after month.

Tomi explained me that Finland doesn't really count, it's so small. If so, why was it brought in in the first place?

And then Tomi refers to the sales boycott in US. This May 9 report talks about a visit to 15 AT&T stores and here's the summary (focus of the study in HTC One):

"Our conversations with store reps indicated no signs of Lumia demand “falling off a cliff” following the reasonably strong launch week. Clearly, at $99 and with very noticeable retail store support from AT&T reps, the Lumia launch in the US was built for volume. We are still skeptical that demand can remain strong as the HTC One X ramp continues, the Galaxy S III launch occurs, and the iPhone 5 hits later this year, but we continue to be we continue to be impressed with sell through trends in the meantime. Notably the hold music for all AT&T stores across the country invites listeners to behold the “beautifully different” Nokia Lumia 900, and store reps are clearly pushing the product heavily,” writes McCourt.

And isn't Pope's statement pretty accurate:
"And people can see how you make up your own ‘facts.’"

Scout

Tomi, you are just pathetic ex. Nokia worker trying to gain some attention. There are reasons why you don't work for Nokia anymore. Do you really think that blaming Nokia helps your consulting duty?. Who wants to hire someone like you, knowing how you act afterwards?

CN

@Scout

Just like there are loads of us who strongly disagree with Tomi, there are people who fully support his thinking. I often disagree with Tomi, you seem to as well.

Tomi knows a lot and what makes many of us furious is the way he presents things - but I don't think that can be changed. So, try to take it less seriously, no matter how mad you get, when Tomi makes certain... Hmm, questionable conclusions.

We (also Tomi) should try to avoid our feelings impact on our rational thinking. Tomi has scored quite well time to time, sometimes he has also failed (not that he necessarily admist that - "admitting" he leaves to others ;-). Excluding the occasuion where he admitted he hates Nokia Marketing Guys.

And who knows what happens to Nokia, it may collapse, it may get strong. Whatever happens, we probably don't come back here showing the reasoning why things happened - we just come back here shouting "what did I tell you".

Steve

Is Nokia adjusting course?:
"...the 808 will indeed be launched in North America...
Perhaps the Windows Phone-only for North America strategy isn't working out as well as Nokia expected."
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_coming_to_the_us_after_all-news-4231.php

Tomi it looks like you're close to winning the argument since they're fighting you now ;)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Hopefully they'll change course before Nokia hits the rocks.

ejvictor

@Sander van der Wal...
"And this means that the problems with Symbian and MeeGo were very severe, that the board was completely aware of those facts, and that they acted on that knowledge before it became obvious in the publicly released figures."

Meego's severe problem was that Intel was late with the hardware platform- the fact that the N9 came out within 9 months of the burning platform memo shows that a high level of denial or mis-information was circulating within Nokia upper management. Imagine for a monment that Elop had not killed Meego... TODAY nokia would have a Medfield based device with Swipe UX, HD display, running QT apps AND ANY Android App.
PS...please dont give me the "N9 isn't running Meego it's running Harmattan crap.

vladkr

@Tomi:
The fact Ballmer is furious about the situation makes sense.
He isn't known as a zen guy. I also don't see anything that proves any talent in his bio, he just was at the right place at the right time.

Clearly, Ballmer isn't Bill Gates (I don't like him much either, but he's still a genius)... no.. Ballmer and Elop are more Dastardly and Muttley (I'll let you guess who is Dastarly and who is Muttley).

CN

Sales boycott update:

"Our conversations with store reps indicated no signs of Lumia demand “falling off a cliff” following the reasonably strong launch week. Clearly, at $99 and with very noticeable retail store support from AT&T reps, the Lumia launch in the US was built for volume. We are still skeptical that demand can remain strong as the HTC One X ramp continues, the Galaxy S III launch occurs, and the iPhone 5 hits later this year, but we continue to be we continue to be impressed with sell through trends in the meantime. Notably the hold music for all AT&T stores across the country invites listeners to behold the “beautifully different” Nokia Lumia 900, and store reps are clearly pushing the product heavily,” writes McCourt.

anti

Tomi, you was traveling a lot on that time, due to exhaustion one can't think clearly in addition the emotional is taking over the rational thinking. So please do apology to John S Pope will you?

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