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March 22, 2012

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So Vatar

Baron, can I get also from the stuff you are smoking?

"Nokia may succeed or it may fail. But the strategy is sound. The early execution is promising, except that Elop needs to yield the knife harder to cut the dead-wood faster."

So, it is a "sound strategy" to put all eggs into a failing platform?

"Early execution is promising"? Like announcing death of Symbian and MeeGo without being able to deliver the new oh-so-great technology for 9 months or so?

Looking forward and recognizing trends is great. Too bad when the trends turn out to go into the wrong direction once the real numbers come in. So, how many Windows phones were sold a year ago? And how many are sold today? Ahh, sound strategy, promising execution. Dismal results? - Who cares.

Aniko - previously loyal Nokia client

I am just a trend setter, one of millions. Once upon a time I set trend for Symbian, I put my share to set Nokia N9 trend, and beleive me I am still setting NO&NEVER EVER trend for Windows. You can do with this what you want. Even when I will be gifted with Xbox still WP is not an option. When I am reading all windows-fanboys-PR acress the internet and compare this to numbers I am loosing my loyality for Nokia. It comes from fresh approach and userfriendlyness and useability of Symbian and MeeGo so Nokia N9. Windows does nothing I am interested in. Besides I vave this all in my netbook, which is 4 or 5 times cheaper. And I also has paid higier price for staff manufactured without breaking Human Rights. I have seen suicides around iPhone manufacturing. I don't wan't to pay every year for Windows last-new-better-hiper version. Recently it has realised that micorsoft store with Windows Mobile applications has been closed and because of that user must pay for the second time for the same applications, as there is no way to use again already bought and paid for software from that store!! And the same will be with Windows at Nokia. For those and many other reasons windows will never be in mobile. Microsoft just reminds me scientology church - we know better we will free you - but without Microsoft I am still free user, and don't have in mind to change it. And I am stiked to my Nokia N9 for years already. Like before to Symbian. You can use it for bussiness or go and die in pain. I have stated my already taken decission so many times that Mr Elop and Nokia had a chance to hear it. Many times. And you know, if nobody want to hear your complaints from certain point of time you start to look other options. For myself I will buy one more or two more Nokia N9 to have reserve for nearest years. Perhaps good idea would be also to get back to Symbian? I does what I want, I have everything for it, Nokia N8 with Bella is just "walkking beauty". I will consider perhaps Tizen or Android or perhaps some chinese linux of "unknown" or "unspeakable" name. I am affraid dear Nokia from certain point with Elop's lieadership in his infinite wisdom you can go f%&^k yourself in your own spice of Windows.
@to somebody above: Android market is crowded - this means there are money to earn, it is wanted and nothing more. iOS is closed as Apple has wise policy for now and future.
With window are money but first of all money for Microsoft.

I am loyal Nokia so far, but this not change my mind and I just don't want Windows. If would be different I already would have a phone with Windows - WTF why you don't want to see me as your client dear Nokia?? You can't just wash my brain with marketing, I feel hesitated. Whatever. I spoken my words, did my duty and paid contribution for "loyal client", now I am just tired. Need to get back to real life from Windows illusion. I just liked Nokia in my pocket, and I do not reconise Lumia as Nokia phone, but only Windows host. Any hardware can do this, not necessary made by Nokia and seems you completely has forgotten about this. And also the same way seems you all in Nokia has already forgoten about me, small not important customer who paid for Nokia phone. Perhaps you will want to meet me again somewhere in future, perhaps. Hope you will be lucky (without me - when you have choosen Windows, but not me). ...
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;-(

Analyst

My prediction is that around December 2012 Nokia will file for bankruptcy. This company is beyond repair.

Sander van der Wal

There is always a plan B for Nokia, which is to adopt Android. Plan B will mean that they are one of the many OEM's selling standard stuff, but given their scale and expertise they should be able to make good money.

But they have to try to stay close to the top, and WP offers them the least worse change of staying there. Given the way they completely and utterly blew their incredible lead in smartphones, it is more than they deserve. For Nokia to die in smartphones, they should drop WP and revive MeeGo.

elm70

@Andy

"The only way to interpret this is that even the best selling WP app is nowhere near of being profitable. So much about the third ecosystem"

I need to correct you: Angry Bird it is not the best selling, it is just the most download.
Since it is download for free, Rovio can make money only on Ads ... clearly the mass of Ads and the efficiency of Ads over iOS and Android are way better.

Anyhow, Nokia should buy Rovio, right now ! ... Before Rovio did effect Nokia sales since their Birds was on iOS and not on Symbian S60, only on Symbian ^3 the Angry Birds did arrive, and was already a problem for Nokia.
Now if Rovio will boycott Windows Phones, it will be one more reason for not buy an WP and take an iOS or Android

Tchuss

e_lm_70

cycnus

It seems to me that the insane CEO knows how to devalue their flagship faster:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia-paying-AT-T-millions-to-make-the-Lumia-900-an-exclusive-phone-of-front-line-employees_id28366

Per

USA wants to own all eco-systems for mobile phones. This takeover is deeper than just Microsoft and Nokia.

F.OO

@anobserver "Debatable. One of the previous posts by Tomi showed that Nokia represents 87% of the WP devices sold nowadays. So the best Nokia can hope for according to your 3 scenarios are 8.7% - 21.75% - 29%."

In this case the most probable outcome is around 19% market share.

However, you started with a very unlikely assumption, that Nokia will keep 87% of WP market share.

If that happens 19% seems a reasonable number. But I still think it is much more probable that Nokia will have 1/3 of the WP market share; but the scenario analysis depends on what you think is credible.

KPO'M

I think the Board should take Rovio's decision not to port the new version of Angry Birds to Windows Phone as a sign that they need to take action yet again. If they can't make money on WP7.5 then who can? Splitting off Lumia is an interesting idea that lets them save some face. I did think last year that a North America-only strategy for WP7 was a possibility since Nokia had nothing to lose in the US and Canada anyway.

F.OO

@Baron95 "Nokia may succeed or it may fail. But the strategy is sound. The early execution is promising, except that Elop needs to yield the knife harder to cut the dead-wood faster."

I strongly disagree.

Nokia didn't need Microsoft, but Microsoft needed Nokia -- desperately.

Nokia *might* consider an exclusive deal with Microsoft if and *only* if Microsoft granted exclusive rights to Nokia to sell WP7.

But Elop decided to adopt the 8th operating system AND invite other manufacturers to join the "third platform" -- that's simply crazy!!!

The first option should be Android. Elop didn't want that, and made up some excuses, like, "Android won't let us to differentiate", "we're going to be a 'me too' player", etc. But look at this -- a list of Windows Phones from Microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/7/default.aspx

Compare all the models -- try to find the "different" one. They look all the same!!! Except for... the hardware!!! The only thing not contributed by Microsoft!!!

So, saying that Microsoft would allow Nokia to "differentiate" was a big lie.

Nokia became a "me too" player in a tiny market. If the market grows, Nokia will still have a fraction of a fraction of the market.

cycnus

I know for sure that WP7 is not favorite in the land of developing country because the need of Zune and the restriction it had.

But I really wondering if anyone in here really think that WP7 got a chance in US and canada. Reallyy???? look at the sales data.... I think even the american did not think that Microsoft is the best company for mobile OS. Microsoft have been bluffing all this year, and nobody cares.

It's really the time that Elop, Baron, and the board of nokia learn that Microsoft WP7 is even worse than Bada. That's the hard fact. If they would not admit this, then Nokia is screwed.

F.OO

@Sander "There is always a plan B for Nokia, which is to adopt Android."

I'm afraid it's too late.

Elop destroyed all the possible backup plans. "Plan B is that plan A must work".

It would take at least one year, under huge financial pressure, to have a new Android phone; and I don't think Microsoft would allow that.

F.OO

@cycnus "It's really the time that Elop, Baron, and the board of nokia learn that Microsoft WP7 is even worse than Bada. That's the hard fact. If they would not admit this, then Nokia is screwed."

I don't think WP7 is that bad.

The problem is not technical, but strategic.

Nokia could have adopted WP7 as a second or third operating system, but never as the first one.

And Elop shouldn't have tried to kill Symbian. He should have supported it, as it keeps the company alive.

Unfortunately, Microsoft needed a big announcement, an important company endorsing their product. That's the only way to make WP7 look like a credible alternative, as the window of opportunity (no pun intended) closed.

So, Elop came to the rescue, and announced big plans for the "third plartform", inviting other manufacturers to join, etc.

The rest is history.

J.O. Aho

@F.OO:
I can't say about WP7, but earlier mobile solutions from microsoft has been horrible, quite user unfriendly and featureless and been quite bad to work with IMHO.
I believe it may still be like that, or else we had seen more of WP cellphones on the market, from other manufacturers.
I may be clouded by my own believes that microsft products suxx and that they haven't produce anything new since they introduced the red wavy line under misspelled words, everything else has been seen in the live for a good while before microsoft claims they have been the first one with that feature.

Something I would have liked to see on the cellphone market, is phones that allow you to choose your OS, if you like the way WP7 works, then it installs WP7, for others of us who like to be able to use the phone, we could choose to use MeeGo or ... of course this would make things more difficult for both manufacturing and supporting the phones, but in the long run I think end users would be happier, specially if you can change the OS without loosing your contacts and content (of course apps would be a problem).

cycnus

@F.OO

I agree with what J.O. Aho said.
That Microsoft OS for Mobile platform simply lost to android and iOS, especially WP7.
That's why Microsoft is in deep trouble. and what make it even worse is Microsoft in denial. They were thinking that the user/public have been un-kind to them, and if they try WP7 they would love it.

I remember a couple of while back, before/after the 2.11 that balmer said samsung and other vendor who were make both android and WP7 is not serious with WP7, they don't put their detail attention to it. If only samsung and others would make a devices that have WP7 that were above their android device, WP7 would lead over android.

The flaw of that statement were.... that's mean, if the hardware equal, and only the OS were different, most of us choose android over WP7, which mean WP7 really sux compared to android...

This is a reason that why I'm agree with Tomi that Elop is not doing his best for nokia, but he were doing his best for microsoft. He still work for microsoft, but nokia is the one that give him the paycheek. He must be fired and sued.

vladkr

@Cygnus:
Ballmer can reproach Samsung for not making WP devices that outclass Android ones, but he has to remember that Samsung and the others can't do anything special with their WP devices as WP doesn't allow any fantasy :

- Onboard chips ? Imposed by MS -> it has to be single core Qualcomm
- Screen ? definition is imposed, no more than 480x800, whatever the size.
- Camera ? No more than 8Mpx (HTC achieved to make a hack to put a 12Mpx)
- Hardware buttons... imposed again.

So manufacturers have absolutely no freedom with WP. They'll all have to make clones with the same hardware, and the same software.

Jimmy Joe

I have a Nokia C6 and it's an unpleasant device. The phone bits aren't as good as an S40 feature phone, the smart bits aren't as good as a 1999 Palm Pilot, and the UI is a confused mess. Shame on Nokia for foisting this device on public. They reap what they sow; swimming in the frigid waters of the North Sea while MicroSoft plays the part of the shark with a freaking laser on its head.

http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-memoriam-microsofts-previous-strategic-mobile-partners/

So Vatar

@vadkr:

You got it all wrong, my friend. WP allows a lot of customization for the HW manufacturer:
- They can choose to offer a black phone, a blue phone and even a yellow phone with pink dots.
- They can pre-install any ringtone they like.
- and last not least they are allowed to choose between round buttons and oval buttons (oval looks great for the yellow phone with the pink dots).

[and because this is the internet: This post was meant cynical, don't base your purchase decision on anything mentioned in this post, it could harm your health]

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DS

> I'm afraid it's too late.
I beg to disagree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ponaehOrFN8
Nevertheless, all nokia needs is Android compatibility for meego. With couple of milions of devices on the market developers will notice and add Nokia devices to their testing pool along with popular Samsung, HTC, Sony and LG models.

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