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March 22, 2012



Apple is going to spin off a separate entity to address the mobile market in - the Rest of the World.
The US is only ~6% of world population; at some point, Apple will address the other 94% with a less expensive phone that will address the needs of that market.
Cheap to build, easy to operate, simple to do Mobile in the 21st century.
A Feature phone for the rest of the world.
Take that, Nokia.

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cellular is actually far more than just a technique to carry electronic advantages to analogue press.


@Baron95: SoVatar said all the thing I would say, too. Obviously you have false picture about that phone...

Or am I too oldschool if I name it 'phone'? ;-) It is a handheld computer, instead...

Out of the box:
- obviously I can make photos/videos with it - darn good ones, anyway.
- I can share them via DLNA, bluetooth, WiFi, etc. with any device being capable to receive them
- I can access all the web services I use
- I can sync with my PC
- I can show my videos, pictures on my TV set either via wire or with DLNA
- I can make video calls
- I have all the apps I want to use
- I can make my own if I deadly miss something
- I got free navigation assist
- etc.

In general I can do whatever I want to do with my N9, and yes, it is a perfect smartphone for me - even in 2012.

"give your mom or your grand daughter an N9" - my 6 and 8 years old girls can use the phone because its UI is so intuitive. Actually they constantly ask me buying one for them as well. Unfortunately it is still artificially expensive here in Hungary so it will not be an option for a while...

And yes, there are games for them, educational apps. etc even for them...

So, in short run N9 would be a gooooooood cash machine for Nokia...


@Baron95: I wonder why you keep on commenting things you absolutely don't know anything.
You have never touched a N9, but "you know everything about it". Wow, that's impressive.

So to you, N9 doesn't have any app : Have you had a look at Ovi store before saying such a stupidity? Did you have a look at Meego/Maemo forums to see what's available? You obviously didn't.

There are no developers? So who developed multi-boot for N9? Who ported Android ICS for N9? Who developed Firefox for N9(00/50)? The Holy Spirit?

To you, I can't show photos/videos instantly on a PC/Tabled/TV from my N9. Actually with Bluetooth, USB or even the RCA/HDMI wire, I could, but it doesn't really matter, because I don't have my TV or my PC (actually a Mac) with me all the time. Showing photos on the screen is enough.

You still don't consider as a smartphone? Why? To you, has a smartphone necessarily to run Windows?
I don't see your point here;

I use my N9 as a bus/transport card thanks to NFC (ah yes, you have a jag and a Merc, so you don't really know what I'm talking about),

I scan/reset DT Codes on my cars with my N9, I find closest restaurant, doctors, parkings, nothing revolutionary, but it does the job.

I can write emails/SMS in French/English/Russian/Greek/... (what WP7 can't do)

I can run different apps at a time without having one of them frozen (you know, that's what one calls multitasking, real multitasking)

I can synchronize data with my Macbook.

I can play videos, whatever their format is (mp4, avi, wmv, mkv)

I can administer Unix/Linux servers remotely.

So what do you need for an item being a smartphone?

Aren't you tired to proudly prove your ignorance?



It's useless talking to Baron95. Basically, he was here to praise all the things that canadian criminal, elop, did. And he's other job is to say bad things on whatever tomi come up with. Reading his post would make you see a stereotype of grumpy old man that stuck up.... in other word.... he's here to discredit tomi, and make tomi looks like lunatic, thus reducing the impact of this blog on nokia shareholder meeting. and also to reduce the effect of elop-gate that will be the head line of the news in 2013. This is really a sign that a big force (american capital) were playing on nokia.

Seeing on how persistence Baron were, I'm so getting Tomi book in printed edition on Elop-Effect/Elop-Gate if tomi write the book on nokia rise to nokia down. and I'm gonna make sure i got tomi signature on it.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Everybody

Wow, over 100 comments. I am heavily travelling (greetings from night-time Singapore, am briefly on the blog).

The discussion is EXCELLENT, very very illuminating and smart. Please do keep it up, I have read all comments and learn a lot and once again, we have very polite sensible discussion here, remaining on the factual and no personal stupid stuff, so yes, thank you my readers, you are a high value to other readers of the blog.

I will return later with comments. Keep the discussion going!

Tomi Ahonen :-)


Quote: "As I said, Ovi failed due to poor execution in technical, marketing, and leverage (and possibly more). You’ve expounded on some of the technical. I think even if they had gotten all of the technical right, Nokia still failed to properly market, and failed to properly leverage Ovi across products."

This is where I don't agree with you, but that's fine.

I still think the failure of OVI is not because nokia failed to properly market the OVI, but because nokia use a weak CPU/GPU/RAM on their Symbian^3 devices that make the game maker have the hard time optimizing it for symbian^3 devices.... This is a nokia classic mistake, nokia always use underpower CPU/RAM to highlight that symbian is efficient...... example: If you try to play The Sims HD on nokia Symbian^3 you'll know that the game must load/unload scene when moving from one part to the other part (move from house to town view, vice verse). This is happening because the symbian^3 devices have a small memory. Therefore user will fell that the symbian^3 version is not as good in smoothness compared to iOS/android version.... This lead to fewer game.... and you feel that nokia failed to properly market the OVI store.



I'm replying your reply to anobserver

You said, quote:
"All companies, especially Apple, make choices for their targeted set of consumers. They make trades and leave things out to achieve multiple prioritized objectives.......
.....Thus, Apple has chosen to hide the file system on iOS (and even some OS X apps) because of ease-of-use. No out-of-the-box USB file transfers. Intentionally limiting to iTunes sync for ease-of-use. Yes, there is loss of flexibility. (You are technically correct that there is USB (but no space-occupying USB mini-B or micro port). However, since the USB is hidden in the 30-pin connector, which is tied to iTunes, there is really no USB file transfer capability.)"

I'm really sorry, I don't really know where do you live. But basically what you said it's an american idealism generalism (i wonder if this is the right term).... let me explain.... in car analogy....
* in the US, before the oil pass US$ 100/barrel. The US like big car engine. 3000cc is considered common. The 5000cc mustang is considered cool. The american even loved the 7meter cadilac.
* But in Europe small displacement engine is preferred, and small sized car also preferred.
* In Netherland, they like to ride a bike
* In Taiwan, Motorcycle is prefered for short distance. Almost everyone have motorcycle there.
* In Indonesia, they prefer big MPV with small engine (1500cc - 2000cc) because most families there have more than 3 kids and 1 maid/baby-sitter. And they don't need/like big engine because the road is always jammed.
* .... I could go on.... and on....

The mobile industry also have what is called market preference, Therefore Nokia, Samsung, Motorola, Sony, HTC, ZTE, and other won't change into apple.

Why apple able to sustain 1 product/year, no USB port, user must buy for HDMI, etc.... because their target market is the geek, the have, the celebrities.

And WP7 is not in the league to compete with apple in this regard....
This is like.... when you want brand name car, you buy BMW/Mercedes, but not Sang Yong (sang yong is a korean car that use BMW engine).

Why WP7 can't get Apple user???
* Screen Resolution
* Screen DPI
* CPU used (latest generation is dual core on iphone)
* .... and many more ....

Therefore, to be successful at birth, WP7 have to target the different target market, in which anobserver and me point out that WP7 is a failure because in that specific target market WP7 fail to bring what were considered the most important feature.


MeeGo does not exist anymore, and never actually really existed. The thing that runs in N9 is "Harmattan", and I like to think of it as an ad hoc Linux dristro put up just for that device. Meltemi is what Nokia is probably about to release, and it's another Linux based system put of for a couple of lower-end devices. They are all the most recently taken steps from we can call Nokia's "Linux strategy", that started with Maemo. Maemo could be seen more like a continued Linux distro, with the different versions getting the wind names. But actually, Maemo suffered from backwards compatibility problems more than once, so the idea that Chinook, Diablo and Fremantle were versions from the same distro can actually be challenged. The move to Qt and away from GTK is one of those major breaks.

So there was never really a Maemo, as there never was a MeeGo. What existed were the 770, N800/N810, N900, N9, the _devices_, and then whatever was inside them (Bora, Chinook, Diablo, Fremantle, Harmattan, etc...). Some apps could be easily ported from one of these systems to the other, some of them could not. Meltemi is just another Linux thing put up together by Nokia to run a few of their phones. There will be _some_ compatibility with N9, with N900, with S40 and with Symbian. Probably very little compatibility with WP7, due to Microsoft's nonexistent interest in being compatible with anything else.

Underlying everything is Linux, and then Qt on a little higher lever. Names like MeeGo, Maemo, etc, all that is futile, immaterial and ephemeral, like the wind. What is solid are the devices, the hardware, and then the original projects that are used to assemble what runs inside them: Linux, Qt, etc.



So, what apple did in car analogy is they were building porche, ferari, lamborgini. They don't care about what people want (USB, no itunes), they defining their product. and because it's considered the luxury and celebrity use it, it able to only get most the profit from the product with 1 product/year and ignoring what people want.

If you see the Tango update of WP7.5, and nokia 610, you'll know that nokia will fight in low-mid end, not high end. And the battle field, especially in the place that cell phone internet connection is not as good in america is different. You could say that in iphone people share photo with facebook, etc. But, for example in small India village or in small Indonesian villate, where maybe only 3 PC in the whole village, and GPRS is as slow as turtle, and 3G is not there yet, having a bluetooth to transfer photo would be a preferred way.


@gzost: "It doesn't matter to me whether a phone with a 3.9" capacitive touch screen can technically run applications that were designed for operation on a full-size desktop screen with keyboard & mouse attached. They are not usable as they are."

Good then, that Linux wasn't designed for operation on a full-size desktop screen with keyboard and mouse attached...

On my N900, I used several Linux applications, where Android and Windows Phone has nothing that can compare. I read "applications" as "software" and "apps" as "$1 toys". Because that's what I'm left with on my CURRENT operating system, Android.

Tomi T Ahonen

To all in the discussion thread - please note that I have posted an update to the story. Nokia has admitted developing 2 new lower-cost MeeGo devices aiming for Emerging World markets. I posted the update to the bottom of the long blog article, it is clearly signposted and only 1 paragraph in length. It kind of validates my quarrels with Nokia and is clearly to my mind, a big step in the right direction.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Earendil Star

Tomi, I disagree. This decision appears to me as totally insane, therefore consistent with Nokia's strategy lately.

Meego (Maemo Harmattan) should have been sold worldwide, and especially to top markets, to have an impact for Nokia.

Instead, Nokia is now offering TWO OSs (Symbian and Meego) for the lower market segment in emerging world markets.
While they are supposedly also working on Meltemi.


What also puzzles me, is that they are not pushing Tango, the only way they can hope to increase WP sales.
Maybe they hope that paying the gadget sites against Android will be enough to promote their crappy WPs.

Also no surprise that THT Elop is nowhere to be seen.
He appears only for MS related matters, possibly with Ballmer at his side.

My only explanation is that they are trying to soften Nokia's hard landing,
in the hope that the more they manage to retain former Nokia customers,
the more they will be able to force feed their WPs at some point.

In practice THT Elop, after nosediving the company in Q1 2011, is now trying to keeping it from hitting the surface.
But everybody knows that, when you fly too close to the ground, your risk of crashing becomes huge...
And all is more exciting since he wilfully decided to throw Nokia's parachutes out of the Windows...

Good night and good luck!


@cycnus: I agree with you. This is what our American friends does not (want to?) understand: the world is really different and majority of people have _totally_ different life style/preferences and accessible resources than the ones live in the USA/North America...

On the other hand hegemony of Apple must be over some day - just like the IBM hegemony was broken by noname PC makers in the past. The challengers will provide the same/similar user experience but (much) cheaper and bust the bubble...

To me it is a nonsense that the most valuable company on the Earth is a design(!) company. They are not even able to realize their own plans without our Chinese friends...

Paying 400-500-600$ - in three months! - for a stock of a company that either doesn't pay anything or pay ~2% divident is nothing but a Ponzi-scheme for me...

They design good product and services for sure - but being the most valuable asset of mankind - c'mon...

Anyway, as Tomi said many times, Nokia must fight with Samsung and must keep them behind at any cost. And they regularly should challenge Apple with one-two-three 'superphones' using whatever OSs being best for the purpose of that particular device (WP7/8, MeeGo or even Symbian).

It would be much more easy if they could enforce M$ to support Qt on WP7 - it would give the necessary freedom for Nokia and it would attract the developer community as well...


@Tomi: yesss, that is a really good news - at least for me. :-)

@Earendil Star: I think Nokis is not offering two OSs but only one in long run: MeeGo/Meltemi/whatever they will name it.

Elop killed in practice the brand Symbian with his famous memo.

Please, take a look how actively they try to avoid using the word 'symbian' in case of N808. They say the OS is 'Nokia Belle with SP1'...

Typical instance of consequences of bad communication...

J.O. Aho


It's kind of good news, I just hope they would sell those over here in Europe too and that they could make some real flagship versions too. It's a bit strange that developing countries will have the best Nokia cellphones and the northern hemisphere is stuck with the crappy ones.

Still waiting for good news like the shareholders of Nokia says it's enough with the madness and throw the MS-employee back to MS (hopefully with a stay in jail before leaving).

Had been nice to take a cup of tea with you, but I guess you are too often out of HK and I'm too seldom there...


nokia also needs to port pureview to n9 from symbian 808 and web browser to pureview from n9.

plus double screen resolution of symbian from 640x360 to 1280x720 for ultra high end smart phone, same is true for meego n909


@tomi, based on your disclosure, looks like Elop will be dumped in the coming share holders meeting for good. at leaset his authority over company's strategy will be greatly reduced !!!
cheers nokia shareholders.



Adding additional MeeGo devices might be a good move, but I am not convinced. It really seems like a defensive (desperate) move at this time. As others mentioned I would like to see a much more ambitious move, namely:

- all out marketing of N9 and other MeeGo devices across all markets, now.
- convince (black mail, force, ask, beg) MS to open WP7 (maybe only WP8 for practical reasons) for QT.

If this would happen, I order an N9 tomorrow. And if they get rid of Flop, I might even buy some NOK shares. Well, not sure about buying shares, need to see who takes control first.

Tomi T Ahonen

Just quick comment on replacement CEO

I have said this often in past, the regulars on this thread know well my position, but we have many new readers on this thread, so let me just re-iterate..

Nokia does not sell to end-users (us consumers, or enterprise/corporate customers). Nokia sells mostly through carriers/operators; and where Nokia sells through retail/resellers, they are strongly influenced locally by their local operators.

Hence Nokia's customers are the operators/carriers. If Elop is replaced, the absolute best CEO, who understands Nokia's customers, and who would be most trusted by Nokia's retail channel to restore Nokia's carrier relationships - is OBVIOUSLY a current CEO from a mobile operator/carrier (and ideally from Asia, definitely not from North America)

Keep the discussions flowing..

Tomi Ahonen :-)

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