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March 20, 2012

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Joris Bos

Dude, these tings take time. A lot of people are still on a contract. If they build a name as THE WP phone, after the introduction of Windows 8, I'm sure a lot of people will pick a Nokia PureView WP8 phone in the future.

Give it some time, it's too easy to hope the giant will die. Let's try and stay positive. MS and Nokia could be great!

JamesSB

sorry, but the Lumia is kicking but in Finland. At the beginning of the year, Windows Phone had .69% of the Finnish market. Now after the release of the Lumia, it has shot up to 5.55%, clearly beating MeeGo and MaeMo, both below 2% of the market. The Finns love the Lumia.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-FI-weekly-201201-201212

Walt French

@ChrisD, you are correct that Samsung has a three-pronged strategy. And I suppose that Nokia is big enough to support more than two, or could have been clever enough to adopt Android as a stopgap until WP vX takes off.

Samsung of course has shipped approximately zero WP phones, and Bada exists primarily for its option value. The real money making has come from being a high-quality, high-volume manufacturer of Androids, which it is pushing through its sales channels. So Samsung has benefitted mostly from a full-bore commitment to Android a few years back. That's been the factor that's allowed it to increase units and profits. Absent a perfect crystal ball insight, they hedged. But all the success came from their fast transition to Android, based on being a high-volume manufacturer.

The choice to become the high-volume incumbent that dominated Android was NOT available to Nokia in 2011. It WAS available to Nokia in 2007 or so, but absolutely was NOT made then, when it could have made a difference.

In retrospect, the only viable alternative I could imagine would have been to merge with RIM, and apply Nokia's legendary hardware and software engineering to QNX, which still badly lacks for software support, but seems to have the foundations for a strong platform.

The jury is still out on the Microsoft choice, although I am not optimistic for near-term success. But even if Elop over-estimated the patent and licensing issues that Android would face, this decision was forced on Nokia by years of ignoring market realities, not some bunko quick-fix artist who Microsoft planted.

gebi

One "easy" way out for Nokia would be to release plain Android phones, with the same openness as their N9.
Put in their 43MP sensors on some of this phones and maybe make the phone orderable with extended battery size from the factory...

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@JamesSB

See in this stat in Europe Windows Phone is at most 1.1% http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-eu-weekly-201201-201212
In UK 0.78% http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-GB-weekly-201201-201212
ehem, how it relates to UK optimistic data about millions of sold Lumias??
And Worldwide? http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-weekly-201201-201212 Symbian rulez!! 31.9% and.... it is GROWING!! WP? Who knows? Hidden in "Unknown" of 5.69% + "Other" of 1,47% = 7.16% combined. There is even Playstation however... Playstation of 0.47% So WP would be less then this? World is so strange... And BTW population of Finland is not so big so this is not a big deal anyway, sorry dear Finns! Also if turned on in factory phones would be counted then... ;)

Nigel F.

This article comes across like bombast and prejudice feebly disguised as rational analysis. It seems strange to me that, for example, the Lumia 710 is perceived as doing so badly. T-mobile USA (the only Nokia phone currently in the States remember) said it was their 3rd best selling phone after just a month. Here in the UK I ordered a 710 for myself a couple of weeks ago from Vodafone, our biggest carrier, and had to wait because it was out of stock. And if you look on the Vodafone UK website today you'll see it's out of stock once again. I think this one is far too early to call. Nokia and Microsoft are in it for the long game.

Johny E.

@Nigel F.

Dear Nigel, I had to wait for my Nokia N9 for 4 motnhs as 3 main cariers in my country were "out of stock" including T-Mobile and Orange. This means nothing. Long game perhaps, I'd like the game to be fair and profitable to all interested in. But if one of sides cares only for its own, then game can be hurting to other side. IMHO.

Klippenstein

I have a Windows Phone. It is a great phone, I absolutely love it! Reviews for the WP have been very positive, my experience supports that. If WP fails, it will not be because WP is not a good product.

Time will tell if you are right. I suspect you may not be.

Given how fast market shares rise and fall in this phone industry I don't know how you can be so sure you know what will happen. Further, most every important WP from Nokia only starts shipping widely (or at all) in 2012 Q2 (Lumia 800, 900, cheap 610). We could ask why they are taking so long to ship products, but the data can't yet speak to what has happened once volumes of all these products are available.

Brett

I wanted an N900, but Nokia made it clear that they would not continue to support maemo or the N900 in any meaningful way. I waited for the N9, but Nokia decided not to sell in the U.S. market, and worse, made it overwhelmingly clear that meego would not be supported in any meaningful way (plus, why would I want an expensive phone whose battery could not be replaced?).

So for the moment my wife and I are hanging on to our old Symbian-running "tubes" and anticipating buying an Android phone when the time comes.

Too bad. I wanted to support Nokia and their products, but they wouldn't let me.

Charl Wamsteker

All I can say is I am happy with WP7 and sure they will introduce outlook sync in the future, but that is not a Nokia issue. The Lumia made me buy my 2nd Nokia phone in 16 years of having cell phones and I am actually very happy with this one. Through the years I have had mostly Panasonic and Siemens phones and in South Africa those are now non existent. My last 8 years I have had HTC's of various sorts and were very happy with them, they added features to the standard Windows OS. Currently I have a HTC Touch Pro Windows6.5 Galaxy Tab 7" Android 2.3 and my new Lumia800, I carry all 3 around each day but really dig the Nokia. Nokia is the Windows savior and not Windows the Nokia savior because the HTC's and Samsungs's of the world are not pushing WP7 so I think the co-dependence is best for both - lets hope the Nokia voice is strong enough to shout into the corridors at Redmond.

The Finn

THIS IS NOT TRUE

"I reported here just last week that in Nokia's home country, Finland, the retail channel so hates Nokia Lumia, they will not show the device even when asked by name, and will sell Androids instead - all this while the stores have the biggest Lumia sales displays. The launch and market reception of Lumia is a disaster. I have reported that press reviews range from the UK's Guardian saying customers should return their Lumias like the reviewer did his; to German newsweekly Der Stern writing that its buyers should take the trouble to drive to Switzerland or Austria to buy the better N9 instead of the Lumia, to reviewers from Australia to India recommending consumers buy Androids instead of the Lumia or that the N9 is indeed a better phone (not sold in India again, haha, so that was not what they wrote in India). And now, Kantar tells us that the early sales of Lumia in the USA are also disappointing."

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martinohsk

Hey Tomi, why still no rebuttal of karlim's analysis posted on March 20th....could it be he's right and you're wrong?

Fish

Reading your post Tomi, one might get the impression that you do not agree with the current strategy of your former Nokia employer. Am I right? Anyway, here in Sweden Lumia 800 has been selling very well and stayed among the top 3 at prisjakt (a populare site comparing prices and other statistics for webshops in Sweden) since Lumia 800 started to sell in January. Most customers seem to rate the device very high. One thing that strikes me in particular is that many users state that the did not like Windows Mobile and they did not like Windows Phone 7 either. However, with Windows Phone 7.5 (Mango) they comment that, technically speaking, Microsoft and Nokia are certainly back in the race. Two weeks ago I decided to betray my former employer SonyEricsson and for the first time ever buy a Nokia phone. I am now actually so impressed with the device (both hardware and software) that I have also bought some Nokia stocks that are very low at this point in time. One bad thing is that Microsoft has created a bad reputation for themselves in the smartphone market and that will take some time to shake. However, with Mango MS got it right and gradually people do start to notice. If Nokia can continue to build hardware like the Lumia 800 and also supply excellent additional value adding software like Nokia Drive I do not see how Nokia can fail with Windows Phone in the long run.

But on the other hand, I could be wrong. I agree that Nokia has to overcome the first hurdle and help Microsoft gain some initial marketshare with Windows Phone. From my position it seems as they have started to do just that! Lets see how they are doing in half a year from now.

peter

@Fish,

can you show us some substances after you pour compliements on wp7.5 ?

what part of OS/app make you think that way ?
what part of hardware ?


Regards,
Peter

Mikko

How could you NOT se that coming ...?? :-o I saw it and told all my friends already at the Elop announcement ..!

rashpal

WOW, what an egotistically head you have on your shoulders Herra Ahonen. What brains and insights you may have, are ruined by your sensationalist, media whore, attention grabbing flame writing, intelligence and class have clearly taken a back seat in your 'reporting'.

ThVL

Symbian and MeeGo forever! :D
I not like WP7 and Micro$hit.

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