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August 21, 2011


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bada devices don't sell as smartphones - they're touchscreen phones where the possibility to install some apps from a limited catalogues is an added benefit. They compete with feature phones on a feature/price combination. Samsung has the scale and experience in the mobile space to keep the price down, and the operator relations and distribution in place to push the phones - in a lot of cases probably occuping portfolio positions and shelf space where previously Samsung feature phones were. My guess is that a large part of bada sales are replacements for what would have been Samsung feature phone buys. So bada is presently both a way to get more features onto feature phones easily, and a hedge against trouble with Android down the road.
webOS on the other hand is/was most definitly a smartphone OS. One that would have only worked with considerable investments in better hardware (HP would probably only have been ready to release own designs by the end of the year), wooing developers, paying some for important apps etc. The ecosystem was very limited, a single manufacturer had already managed to fracture the OS, and there was no buzz anymore. HPs PDA expertise is long in the tooth, and not all that useful in today's world, and I sure missed that they ever made phone. Smartphones is not even a bordering business. Guess they did the math from their perspective and decided against a long shot. Seen together with the move away from the consumer PC business, this makes perfect sense!!!


Apple Computer was a near-bankrupt computer-maker company, I have never heard before.

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Ok more replies, am on comments from Aug 21

Hi khim, kevin, Vikram, JC, Jonas and HCE

khim - excellent points about both Elop and Apotheker, yes, when a CEO comes in from another industry, there is a very big danger they try to remake the new company into what they knew from the past. And in these cases, clearly are failing miserably in doing so.

kevin - great points and totally agree

Vikram - fine, but I think I wrote that I was using 2010 data. I am not about to try to do a full analysis of every tech company based on Q2 data now..

JC - sorry, I think I clearly wrote that I was on vacation and was expecting some slack on some of the less critical points.. but yeah, if you feel I'm now too sloppy to bother reading, feel free to not come back :-)

Jonas - fine, but still if the future of the computer is the smartphone. If Apple manages to make by far the biggest profits of the IT industry with a smarpthone, and if HP bought the nearest thing to the iPhone in Palm, why then not follow that route, but rather turn the whole company upside-down and pursue some fantasy of totally re-inventing the company, where no software company can touch Apple now as its powered by the iPhone. Madness in my eyes haha..

HCE - good points and to your issue of why Palm killed so soon at HP, was obviously bought under different management. Previous HP management believed far more in the Palm potential than Apotheker and his team.

Thank you all for hte comments, keep them coming

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Beware, if you are going to read his documents as a valid history, they will have a strong Apple slant. I own alot of Apple equipment, and are happy to say good things about them when credit is due, but remember, Daniel has a finanical interest in saying good things about them, and will generally always put a negative slant on a competitor regardless of how well they do.


This is a risky move by HP, but with the Autonomy acquisition, they clearly have dreams of becoming the next IBM. Thus, they appear to be ditching the commoditized PC market, and also decided they didn't have the time or energy to be a player in tablets, which is largely a consumer market.



I really love HP to reconsider its mobile competition.


see Apotheker living the company in a few years if not months, just the time to find another job and before the results of this move get apparen


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Heads rolled over this, and rightly so. Most definitely one of the biggest tech decision blunders in history. Still, what HP lost was just a drop in the ocean for them and now just a few months later all has been forgotten and its back to business, and mismanagement, as usual.

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