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August 15, 2011


Sander van der Wal

The only thing Google can do to protect Android is to kill Motorola outright. It makes the IP expensive, but it will keep Android on top.


"whoever buys Nokia will sell off NokiaSiemens Networks."

Easier said than done.
Do you have any buyers in mind for NSN? Siemens?
Also remember they are bound to the JV till 2013.

If I was Nokia or MS, I would bid jointly for RIM or Sony Ericsson.
For obvious reasons. ;-)


I don't agree with you when you say that a resurrected independent Motorola isn't a treat to Samsung and the other android OEM because a resurrected Motorola will be in any case a stronger competitor for them in an ecosystem with limited profits. Hence this deal is good for Nokia and Microsoft because suddenly this ecosystem is getting more competitive (or less undesirable)

Anyway if there still is some chance to let Meego survive this is the right time to try, the device is there (N9 obviously) and the competitors (android) show sign of weakness


Nice analysis, there's lots here to ponder. Don't forget that Motorola Mobility also provides TV Set Top Boxes, a nice fit for Google's struggling Google TV project. With one purchase, Google gets a hardware solution for phones, tablets, and STBs. There's a big part of your Google/Android ecosystem.


Did I hear Meego? Meego is death

former N900 user

I would not call it a "death" in the bloodbath. On the contrary, now together with Google, Motorola will proove to be once and again a very strong competitor for the global lead in smartphones. I think selling Motorola soon isn't the most likely strategy for Google. Instead Google will shift its inhouse hardware development (Nexus, Xoom etc.) completly to Motorola and use motos patents to defend the android ecosystem for HTC, samsung and LG.

I think your analysis of Bada is completly wrong as it is clearly an OS for more mid to lowtier smartphones. Samsung's recently announced new name scheme for smartphones suggest, that the android Galaxy S will continue to be their flagship device.


Remember, Nokia (NSN) bought Motorola networks recently.

By the way, recently Motorola was split into two. Namely Motorola Mobility and Motorola Solutions. Google only bought Motorola Mobility. :)


RIM should release an iOS player to accompany it's up-coming Android Dalvik player, and then fix-licence QNX ($5 per device), while keeping encryption algorithms, the BB Gateway, and BBM as their differentiation.

That would make for an interesting day on Wall Street.


Samsung et al. don't have to be afraid. Much.

Please remember that Google has big problems with monetizing of anything but their search engine. I think they will have similar problems with Motorola. There is only one thing which could kill Android: preferential treatment of Motorola and withholding of Android source from OEMs. Google started to do it with Honeycomb (primarily to protect Samsung et al. from cheap competitors) and if they deepen that process it will kill Android as universal mobile OS.


tomi, I made a comment not long ago on google vs nokia where I mentioned nokia phones have 3 long term advantage over google's android phones:
1. deep patent potforlio
2. built-in maps with voice dooor to door guidance
3. meego and symbian are more efficient OS than Java VM (longer battery life)

Obviously google management saw it and made a quick decision to buy MMI for deep patent portforlio. but it has not sovled #2 and #3 problem. Google might want to buy nokia but nokia is still expensive for google cash reserve.

I believe Steve Jobs is looking at buying Nokia to solve ipohnes long term problems as listed in above #1 and #2. yes, apple has much deep cash pocket to buy nokia at 70% premium in all cash.

After buying out nokia, apple will get
1. deep patent portfolio,
2. free built-in world-wide maps, postion based advertisment, turn by turn voice guidance
3. huge loyal nokia symbian and s40 users base
apple will take following actions
1. get rid of Elop,Weber,Jorma immediately
2. keep low to medium range phones with nokia brand to compete against android/mango
3. capture 40% market share in both smart and feature phones.


Microsoft didn't give Apple a loan that kept it alive. MSFT made a temporary purchase of $150M of Apple stock and made several undisclosed payments to settle lawsuits and some anti-competitive behaviour that they got caught doing against Apple (See Canyon software and Intel)

$150M was in no way anywhere near enough to save Apple at the time and there were several other people looking to take Apple private like Larry Ellison who was going to do it with Jobs before Jobs decided not to do it.

The idea that MSFT saved Apple is a myth from the anti-Apple crowd or is sheer ignorance.

Of course, I expect Tomi to delete my post as he typically does with those who disagree with him.



Google doesn't have maps. Despite much hype most of stuff is still bought or licensed from third parties. In this company only Nokia has its own in-house maps.


MSFT saved Apple with some money and more important - promise to make MS Office for Mac OS. They did it to avoid monopoly related problems. If they stalled a bit Apple wouldn't exist but also very probably MSFT would cease to exist as single company split into several entities due to anti-monopoly regulations.

Apple will not buy Nokia as a whole - the only one part of company which would make sense for them is Navteq. They don't need patents - they can bluff their way through legal system with good lawyers and laughable UI patents - as we saw in case of Samsung tablets and they are not into heavy iron of NSN (that one can be valuable for Chinese or maybe Samsung).


@LeeBase, you missed my point about built-in gps maps. while google/apple do have maps, they are online maps not built-in maps. it needs wireless data flow to download which becomes expensive every day and conusmers do not want to pay for the data downloading. and both google/apple have to pay tomtom huge money to use its telenav maps (directly or indrectly)


@vvaz, apple do need nokia's deep patent portforlio to avoid paying royalties to nokia per iphone and to block/charge roylaties from its competitors.


@LeeBase," Android customers get turn by turn maps as a default app." most of them have to download wirelessly to use first time and cached somewhere to reuse them. but the cache can not exceed certain side, lets say 10MB in order to avaoid further charge on google/apple from tomtom.
so every time you go to new location, it needs download wirelessly again and replace previous cache.

think about if you go aboard and use your big screen android phone as your gps, you'll be charged a huge wireless data fee from carrier.

In usa, all big carriers have removed unlimited data plan. put a rate like 2GB/$15/months


tomi, I am thinking the exclusive partnership agreement between miscoft and nokia is illegal.
Jorma Ollila and Steven Elop have betrayed nokia investors interests. Is there any official way to get the details of the agreement as an investor ?


Tomi, I don't think that it is in Google's and its partners best interest for Motorola to get sold eventually. If Google keeps control over Moto they will be able to steer them in a way which is beneficial both for Google and its partners.

Google's interest is to have Android as wide-spread as possible. They should simply focus Moto on producing low-end devices and at the same time leave the more lucrative high and mid segments to its partners.

Google can also use Motorola as a lab for new device concepts, which will allow them to pile up patents and prepare them to fill niches not occupied by their partners. If a niche proves popular, they will be able to offer patent indemnification to their partners (only), thus continuously promoting the platform.

Google is in the position to make a complete win of this acquisition, simply because their business model does not conflict the device manufacturers.


recently another crap hired by Elop has made some media splash, Chris Weber.

he plans to stop selling all nokia current cell phones including hit smart phone n8 and super phone n9.

now he wants to flood usa with nokia WP7 mango phones at a price lower than lowest android phones.

can nokia get any net profit after paying out $15 per phone royalty fee to microsoft ?

N8 is selling at $370 unlocked which is at the average price of android phones. and it has best sellings among all nokia phones without putting in any market promotions.

This crook exec ms employee has also to be fired immediately.


@LeeBase, consumers have to pay for the apps. and its map is not free to update for life and is restricted to its country/region.

nokias is free for life and for world-wide.


@Vikram Does Tomi delete comments that disagree with his anti Elop/MSFT stand? I thought my comment in the earlier post was deleted by accident.
I dont believe someone like Tomi would do that.
But if thats the case haha.

By the way Motorola has got much more patents than Nokia (not sure by domain and relevance, but by number, if my memory is correct its more by a few thousands) and triple than that of Nortel.
Whatever be the case of murky patent battles, I believe this is a bad move by Google, unless they sell Moto minus patents quickly to some Chinese manufacturer.
12.5 billion is not really cheap considering Moto has cash of 3B or so. So effectively its only 9+ billions.

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