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July 13, 2011

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virgil

No comment about HTC? :)
They grew unit sales by about 20% from Q1, and they grew 6% from Q4 to Q1.
Can we extrapolate to Samsung? If their execution is similar, they grew 20% from Q4 to Q1, means they may grow approx 60% from Q1 to Q2. Could Samsung actually get 20M units sold (*)?

(*) assuming they did 12.6M in Q1; the number I found is 10.6M units, which means that they may do 17M in Q2.

Huge numbers, to be sure; but as you say, Nokia&RIM made important missteps, so not entirely unrealistic to see them.

vvaz

19-20 for Samsung is a little stretching but IMO 17-18 is quite believable. From my observations looks like real killer for Samsung wasn't Galaxy S2 (its flagship) but Galaxy Ace. S2 was chosen by more experienced users who just wanted to get top of the tops model and previously used Samsung and/or Android but Ace was chosen by people who wanted to test one of flavors or their combination. Unfortunately Samsung is touting only S2 sales. My guess: 15-16mln + Ace sales.

PERUS

I don't care about Tomi's prediction (he'll be mostly wrong anyway).
I just want my new iPhone5 and can't wait to get one hahaha!

Matthew Artero

Now that we know Microsoft is collecting license fees from Android phones, we also know it is in Microsoft's interest to kill both Symbian and Meego so Android can get a bigger share of the market.

If a Windows OS does not make it in the market but Android does, Microsoft still wins. By killing Symbian and Meego, Microsoft has turned its consolation prize into a first place prize.

Google/Android can have the brand recognition but all one really needs is the patents. Those patents make Microsoft the true owner of the technology. Therefore when we say Android is number one we are saying Microsoft is number one.

We are not being entirely honest when we say Microsoft is not doing well in mobile. Microsoft is now receiving license fees from the number one OS and it decimated two of its biggest threats, Symbian and Meego.

Microsoft makes back every penny it gave Nokia whether Nokia succeeds with a Microsoft OS or not. Not bad for a company people claim doesn’t know what it’s doing.

It went from the bottom to number one at the cost of one patent infringement law suit and one partnership deal, and it didn't have to deal with the headaches of marketing and carrier relationships to do it. It also has no customer service to worry about as it collects those patent license fees.

The conspiracy theory is no longer theory. Microsoft is already profiting from its partnership with Nokia even if they never sell a single phone together.

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Hi all

Great comments, thanks! I am rushed this morning but will return to provide responses to you all, as most of you already know with many regular readers there in the comments.

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Keep the discussion going here and in the other topics, I'll return a bit later.

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Christian Maurice

550 000 activations per day for Android now!!! Android is probably eating all the Symbian marketshare now!!! Poor Nokia, Elop is a joke!!!

Matthew Artero

The smartphone replacement cycle is 2 years 1 month and 2 weeks; not 18 months or less. A replacement cycle of less than 18 months gives us about 100 million in non-existent smartphone sales for this year. The dumbphone replacement cycle is over a year greater than the smartphone replacement cycle. The dumbphone cycle is greater than 3 years 3 months.

2010 reported:
1. About 500 million smartphone users.
2. About 302.6 million smartphone sales.
3. An increase of 74.4% of the 173.5 million smartphones sold in 2009
4. 129.1 new smartphone users in 2010

An 18 month replacement cycle equals annual sales of 66% of the total number of users.

500 million users in 2010 minus the 129.1 million new users of 2010 gives us 370.9 million users for 2009.

If the replacement cycle is 18 months then 244.8 million of the 302.6 million in sales is to existing users, leaving only 57.8 million units for new smartphone users.

But 129.1 million new smartphone users were reported in 2010. This leaves only 173.5 million sales to the previously existing 370.9 million users.

That’s a replacement cycle of 46.7%. That means 74.18 million more smartphones would have to have been sold last year to achieve an 18 month replacement cycle.

For 2011 with its 500 million existing users from last year, that’s an additional 96.5 million in non-existing sales; about a third of last year’s sales. If a company believes the replacement cycle is 18 months or less then they also believe there are an additional 100 million customers to fight for where none actually exist.

The belief in too short a replacement cycle could lead to disastrous results for a company. They will purchase more materials and parts than they can sell. They will manufacture more than they can sell. They will advertise to non-existing customers. They will make deals with carriers based on false growth projections.

If you believe your market share is going to be 20% of this non-existing 100 million. Then you are going to gear up for an additional 20 million in sales you are never going to achieve.

You will have to wait an additional 7.5 months for the next 100 million users to replace their phones. During that time your competitors will have come out with new products while your warehouses are filled with your old product.

Matthew Artero

A replacement rate of 18 months or less means that a Symbian boycott will cause the Ovi store to lose more than two thirds of its customers each year.

Christian Maurice

Only 16 days between the 500,000 activation per day announcement and the 550,000 activation per day announcement for Android!!! they say the sales increase by 4,4% per week. The dive of Symbian marketshare will continue into the 3rd quarter. At the end of the year, Symbian will probably be near death... Transition will be a hard time for Nokia... The Osborne effect and Gerald Ratner(stupid public memo). Sad for Nokia, it will probably become a classic in MBA and business school.

The choice of Windows Phone 7 is not the problem but what Elop has done, a disaster!!! Shame on the Nokia board!!!

Matthew Artero

@LeeBase

In the second paragraph of Tomi's post he states "...most major analysts suggest, to finish selling about 450 - 475 million smartphones (up from about 300 million last year)...."

That's an obvious decline from the 74.4% increase that was claimed last year. They are expecting an increase of 50% to 58% this year.

Matthew Artero

@Christian Maurice

There are two types of market share; number of sales and number of users. The replacement rate for smartphones is over two years and for cheaper phones it is over three years.

The dive in market share of sales can potentially fall all the way to zero in a single quarter. The dive in users which is another giveaway continues for years.

Christian Maurice

Yes I know but the dive of number of sales is not a good news at all. It was a stupid move by Stephen Elop and now the only solution is discount of Nokia Symbian smartphone. And I'm not sure it will work... And the complete transition will not be complete before end of 2012...

Erin

Sony Ericsson sold 7.6 million, but had a net loss of $70.5 million due to the disruptions in Japan...from your numbers it sounds like they did quite well but they posted a significant loss??

Matthew Artero

@Erin

To sell 7 million units and lose $70 million dollars only requires losing $10 per phone. It sounds like a plausible scenario.

Christian Maurice

And Apple sold 20,3 millions of handset without the Iphone 5 launch!!! What will be the number for q3 2011 with Iphone 5 launch and Q4 2011. Some crazy number probably!!!

konteyner

So I thought I'd do a quick run-down of the big brands in smartphones to guide the reader into what numbers are 'good' and what are 'bad' in the context of this likely very surprising

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