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June 10, 2011


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Nokia do not like to change. from the NOkia new phone, we can know that the market just do not like the fixed focus camera, but do not know why nokia keep release the new phone with the fixed focus phone. that is just a shame.


Another reason to fire elop???


As many people stated before, Nokia was already dying for years.
Continuing on the same road would be a walk to a certain death.

I personally think that Nokia + Windows Phone 7 is a winning combination and that Elop did exactly the right thing.

Yes, it will hurt and yes it will take some time before WP7 will have some decent market share, but they will get there.
I was myself quite critical about WP7 until the moment I got one into my hands. Compared to WP7, an iPhone is really boring.
WP7 adds something new with the clever tile-system, which really enhances the apps that are behind them.
And in those tiles also sits an enormous potential for Nokia, besides creating some compelling hardware : developing super-creative-tiles that work perfectly together with their own hard- and software enhancements to the standard WP7-phone.
Nokia has always had an enormous amount of creative ideas, but most of those ideas got lost in the mud that was Symbian and Maemo.

I'm pretty sure that there is a very bright future for Nokia now that someone is really leading and inspiring Nokia in a clear direction.

Tomi T Ahonen

Third set of replies (am on June 10)

Hi Baron, LeeBase, Fucykou, Marco, Joshua, So and hc

Baron - I hear you. What you say now, was very relevant in September.. of 2010. Before we saw the new edition of Symbian S^3 which propelled a genuine hot flagship phone for Nokia the N8 and especially now after June 2011 when we finally see the first phone on MeeGo, N9. CLEARLY the EVIDENCE says that Nokia can come back using Symbian for cheap phones and MeeGo for premium phones - and the Symbian+MeeGo strategy is even preferred by the investors - Nokia share price was up 10% by February of 2011, witnessing the warm reception of Nokia N8 and Symbian S^3 which increased Nokia smartphone ASP's by an unprecedented 15% in just one quarter - but after Feb 11, Elop's Microsoft strategy has been rejected by the investors with a share price crash of 50%. And the only significant uptick by Nokia share price was after MeeGo based N9 was revealed, and that died the next day when the Windows Phone Nokia smartphone was revealed. Your argument was solid, Baron, last year. Now the EVIDENCE says it is an obsolete theory and the facts show that Symbian+MeeGo is the only way to restore or revive Nokia. Sorry. The evidence is now clear.

LeeBase - I know you wrote your comment (like Baron did) before we saw the MeeGo powered N9 device. Its now pretty academic. MeeGo is hot. Nokia's N9 will sell well in those obscure markets where Nokia will allow it to be sold. It is loved by the early reviewers. This is what Nokia can do if it wants to. And Elop is killing that.

As to Nokia with WP7 vs Moto with Android. Good bet, I'll take it. Both Moto and Nokia are now at about zero profit (expecting both to relase Q2 results) and both were very profitable giant handset makers quite recently. And they have selected mutually exclusive paths, where both are uniquely committed to one or the other platform where many of their rivals are on both. I can take that bet, that if Nokia runs on WP7 to power its smartphones - then Motorola powered Android phones will make bigger profits in 2012 than Nokia powered by Microsoft WP7. I know you'll be around then again and you'll know I'll be around. Lets examine how it looks after Q3 results of 2012 and see how it shapes up, and see the final results from Q4 ie around January 2013? Fair. That way we have at least 2 quarters of more-or-less total Nokia commitment to WP7 smartphones (away from Symbian). I am confident Moto will make more profits out of its Androids by then haha... PS did you see Nokia is now selling smartphones at a 15% discount just to move them. Half their factories stand idle. And they are replacing one OS under boycott with another OS under boycott. Won't be pretty haha..

fucykou - good point about management. That is what I've been saying all long, its not about the OS or the ecosystem or the apps or the app stores, its about execution. Nokia is biggest, has the largest factories, can execute benefits from scale that nobody can match and only Samsung can come close. Nokia should be able to crush all pretenders in smarthpones by sheer volume. They messed up utterly by wanting to become like Apple. Nobody can be Apple. Microsoft has tried for 27 years and still they are nothing like Apple. Nokia is to phones what Toyota is to cars. Apple is to phones what BMW is to cars. While Toyota can do a Lexus to try to fight for some BMW customers, it would be sheer madness for Toyota to abandon its huge scale and dealership advantages etc to try to become tiny but VERY profitable BMW with its high customer loyalty.

I love the examples you give. I totally understand the philosophy of shifting middle managers around to give them maximum exposure to the company and to make well-rounded managers out of them. But seriously, a top business-to-business corporate salesguy is worth his or her weight in gold, is worth much more than the CEO and often is compensated much more than the CEO, as it should be. The sales guys from Nokia who serve China Mobile or Vodafone or Telefonica etc are the most valuable people of the organization. They and their sales management should not be randomly switched around by a set of engineers who are not competent in business-to-business sales.

Marco - haha, I generally refuse any debate or discussion about share prices on this blog but in the case of Nokia, now that there are rumors of it being sold and cut into pieces, we have to accept the discussions. Still, this is not a stock market blog and we don't give advice. What I can tell you, is that I see who visits my blog and there is a steady stream of visitors from Nokia HQ as well as readers from most of Nokia's rivals haha... So yeah, the message is 'getting through' although - like I like to say, they don't listen to me haha. I said on February 10 what I expected Nokia's new CEO to say on February 11. Stephen Elop didn't say ANY of what I expected, on Feb 11. But by mid June, Elop had retracted his position and said almost EXACTLY all I said the CEO of Nokia HAS to say in February. Problem is, that by June it is too little, too late, and Elop had lost all credibility. Now he is a dead man walking. His career is over. He will be fired as the most destructive CEO in recent memory, perhaps of all time haha.

Joshua - I hear you. But I feel a passion. Nokia is not dead (yet). If we make enough noise, it can maybe be saved. If it can't be saved, at least I tried. I cannot sit idly by and see utterly moronic actions by a novice CEO who is making things go from bad to worse. Sorry if its seen as me raving. But on this path that Nokia is now, Nokia will not survive to the end of the year. At least I am trying to do something to save Nokia...

So Vatar - good points. We totally agree. Yes, the situation was dire when Elop was brought in. Yes, he had to do something. His early steps seemed to be in the right direction and Nokia was turning a corner and slowly recovering. But now his 2011 Spring has been an utter disaster and he is destroying the company. This is epic failure by Elop. He has to go.

And I appreciate it that you don't necessarily agree with all of my recommendations here. Some of them get ever less effective the more we wait (Symbian for example) but also we have that magnificent flash of light - MeeGo - truly the saving spark for Nokia. Built internally, in a rush, under stress, even as the CEO repeatedly denies staff and resources and top management resign in protest, MeeGo turns out to be great and N9 a hot phone. THIS is the moment to seize. Especially, after we learn that Microsoft's WP7 phones are now in boycott too. Now is the time to change course, and the IDEAL moment for the Board to act is now, after they hear Elop has a public view so opposite to Nokia's true interests. After Elop said "Even if the N9 is a success, there will be no more MeeGo handsets" - this tells us Elop is looking for Microsoft's interest - ahead of Nokia's interests.

Consider the opposite. Imagine if Elop was truly interested in Nokia's best interest. He has gone on record in Business Week saying he felt MeeGo was too late and not competitive. If he wanted Nokia's best interest, he'd now announce, I am surprised and delighted and we will give MeeGo our best support. Not just one phone, but all three MeeGo phones already designed during 2011 with more to launch by Q4 and early in 2011. Then he'd say he will launch MeeGo in all of Nokia's best markets - where they are hot to have it, like in the UK, Italy, France, Germany etc. And because the US market liked MeeGo (and partly because of Intel, obviously) then he should launch MeeGo in America even if only in limited sales. But at least get some US buzz about MeeGo and perhaps get some US carrier to launch it (T-Mobile was eager to launch the N8 in February in Barcelona - it was Nokia who cancelled that ahead of the Microsoft WP7 announcement).

What would this do to the Symbian developer commmunity, over 400,000 developers? They'd want to get onboard Qt. They'd support Ovi, they'd have access to Nokia's hot N9. If the N8 got 4 million sales in a quarter and far less market support, the N9 - especially after a Symbian boycott - could easily sell 5 million or more. A true hot phone. What CEO says no to this. Stephen Elop does...

hc - I recognize you posted the comment before the MeeGo phone was shown, so I trust you now have a better view of MeeGo's chances and competitiveness.

Thank you all for the comments, keep the comments coming

Tomi Ahonen :-)

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