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May 27, 2011

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Michael

I guess the only question is could Nokia end the year with a single digit market share? If they don't bring out a WinPhone handset, I think that's what they are looking at.

Afewgoodmen

Apple and Samsung will surpass Nokia's Smartphone market share before the year runs out! Me prediction!!

Richard Gregory

Sorry to ask a daft questions, but are these US or Global figures?

cycnus

If you guys see that in various brand that the WP7 vs. android, android were winning.
People choose android htc over wp7 htc, or android SE over wp7 se.

so, why would we expect people buy wp7 nokia.

svensson

So this means one thing, Nokia goes down faster than expected (much thanks to themselves) and Apple becomes the biggest player both by unit sales and revenue, and then it's up to RIM and Samsung to show what they worth. Is my assumption correct?

Victor Szulc

No... RIM is bleeding marketshare at the moment in Europe as well as the US, and what's worse for them... Their niche in the enterprise is being taken over by iOS and Android. Don't be surprised if RIM pulls completely out of consumer-smartphones in a year or two, to concentrate on enterprise solutions, middleware, etc.

Regarding Android vs. WP7... Cycnus, you're a moron if you're comparing the two directly, or assume that Nokia WP7 sales will be weak because of the current WP7 sales.
WP7 has only been released in a handful of markets yet, and in a few languages and their current performance is far from terrible or bad. It's not bad at all in fact.

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Joe

It's not only market share that is down but also Nokia's stock: After warning of a bad Q2 today, share price is down 15%.

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Hi all, I'll start with the replies and will answer each individually

Hi Michael, Afewgoodmen, Richard, Leebase and cygnus

Michael - yea, it now looks very likely Nokia ends the year in single digits. This is by far the biggest collapse of any company ever, who entered the year with globally leading market share and threw this much of it away in a 12 month span..

Afewgoodmen - yea, safe bet. Actually I'm sure RIM will do so too and its likely HTC will pass Nokia as well, dropping thus Nokia down from number 1 to number 5 by Q4

Richard - these are global numbers. I always report global numbers here, except where I specifically mention otherwise. My readership is global... (I myself am a Finn living here in Hong Kong)

Leebase - yeah, true, and actually if I recall, Apple passed Nokia 'as a phone manufacturer' by revenue, not just as a smartphone maker. Massive year for Apple already and only getting better..

cygnus - excellent point and I had never thought of that angle before! Thanks! yes, on the SAME brand manufacturers, Windows Phone 7 handsets are suffering versus Android.. Ouch indeed. But Microsoft does get at least one new chance, for real, with the first Microsoft-Nokia handsets around the end of the year - they could do a dramatic come-back and even if Nokia is crushed in the process, Microsoft gets its Phone 7 onto its feet after Microsoft itself messed up the migration path from a reasonably ok-performing Windows Mobile in 2009.

I will return with more comments later, keep the discussion going

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Jouko Ahvenainen

Tomi, do you have new numbers of all handsets (not only smartphones).

My prediction (I'm not an analyst or expert, just follow the market) is that Samsung take the #1 position in volumes in this year. It looks like Nokia goes down fast and I cannot see, what could turn it in this year; it only looks worse.

It was interesting to see HTC is ahead Samsung in Android.

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So Nokia is already 4 market share points below what I projected, 5 million unit sales below what I projected. It is almost spot-on on the average sales price drop as I predicted, thus total smartphone revenues are 700 million dollars below what I projected for the quarter. If you thought Nokia's year 2011 was going to be an annus horribilis based on Ahonen's doom-and-gloom blog, it is clearly going to be far worse...

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Cycnus, you're a moron if you're comparing the two directly, or assume that Nokia WP7 sales will be weak because of the current WP7 sales.

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WP7 has only been released in a handful of markets yet, and in a few languages and their current performance is far from terrible or bad. It's not bad at all in fact. How can you say it's not bad at all?

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