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February 15, 2011


Do Not Wan't to Disclose it

I tried to read the whole blog post and failed, but I must go to sleep so I can catch at least 3 hours of sleep. I will tomorrow, however. as I did with your previous one (actually read it 2 times, just to make sure I got everything right).

I just have to throw in some info I got from guys at Nokia. It seems the next (or first) WP7 device will be a reference design from Qualcomm. This leaves a lot of guys from Nokia wondering where do they fit in, as they are usually designing smartphones around TI silicone and doing a lot of the hardware design themselves. I don't want to analyze that info or how this could turn Nokia into another commodity manufacturer, as this is just something I heard albeit from insiders and is not an official info.

I am currently trying to dig info from insiders about the future of Qt and MeeGo, as it seems both are not dead (at Nokia) completely but are hanging by a tread.


You are nuts, just a dribble from a Nokia fanboy. You donot see the big picture about the ecosystem which NokSoft sees beyond what is available on Symbian and what the MS developers are aspiring to. Go out in the market and listen to what MS platform developers are saying instead of just going through numbers.


Hi Tomi,

It will be "fun" to follow how the numbers will track your prediction. I guess monthly sales figures and OVI downloads will tell the trajectory soon.

One think I am missing in your analysis is the future role of Vertu. Well, a small player, but what are they going to do next?

One detail caught my eye in the recent flow of information. Mr. Elop's Burning Platform memo contained the following statement:

"We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market."

Interestingly, if you replace word "MeeGo" with word "WP7", the statement is still valid.


Thank you for the excellent analysis again. I fully agree with you that Nokia will face very difficult rest of 2011 and 2012. However I think that the biggest challenge is the organizational change and all the trouble and inefficiency coming from that. There is now a lot of Symbian skills that still should be used, but also cut out quite fast.

Regarding sales success for smart devices, I think that for most consumers OS really doesn't matter so much. Many of us have recently moved from OS to another, and was that really so painful? I mean if you owned Symbian N95 before and then got iPhone? Or moving from Motorola to Samsung Android device? Was that hard? Couldn't you do it again?

I have myself had a number of Symbian apps on all my past Nokia devices, and haven't even tried to move them to my new devices, so even the apps stores don't keep customers on one OS (my opinion). Typically when I have bought a new phone, I have soon after bought some apps on it to make it 'perfect' for me. Later I haven't bought much, maybe added some free apps and other personalization.

Operator relationships are important. If Nokia can keep pushing Symbian3 devices to operators, they will sell. In US market when the first Windows devices come available, I am sure Nokia will gain position.

Consider also other scenarios that could have happened. Would Nokia do a lot better if they have said they continue with Symbian too? Maybe a little, but then they wouldn't be able to cut Symbian development costs as quickly as now. Costs would have been increasing when developing Symbian and Windows phones parallel. Other option would have been Android. Honestly I think things would be much worse now. It takes the same time to develop new Android phone for Nokia, than a Windows phone. HW is totally different from Symbian. And there is lot of Android phones coming to market.

As a summary, this will be very difficult time for Nokia but not necessarily as bad as you forecast, in my opinion.


As usual a great piece of work, Tomi

One comment about the timing for the device releases. 18 month is not starting from a blank table.For this timeframe, you already need some assets. In nokia's case, their semi vendor aren't in the WinPhone business (STE, TI... haven't placed any bets on the WP yet). The only one in this game is Qualcomm. Provided some agreement are still valid between Nokia and Qualcomm, they might come up with a device in 12 to 18 months. Using a diferent silicium mean at least 12 additionnal months to have the platform able to run WP.
If Nokia want to shrink the time, they could go the ODM route (Quanta, Foxconn...) for the initial device but in this case they will not have much innovation and differenciation.
The timeline seem quite complex to sort out - or there is an hidden agenda!


According to one slide shown by Nokia there is a plan to transition more or less the entire price range of current Symbian smartphones to WP7. Falling/collapsing market share aside, there is the problem of price points. There is currently at least a 150% price difference between the cheapest Symbian phone and the cheapest WP7 phone. Prices for the WP7 phone model might decline slightly faster than that for low-end Symbian, since more here is dependent on prices for RAM and processors, and memory, which fall faster. Nokia might be able to reduce the specs for WP7 under their special licensee relationship with Nokia. Still, by the end of 2012 (which, according to Nokia's own figures, will be the end for Symbian, declining sales already taken into consideration) there will still be at least a 50% price difference between low-end Symbian and low-end WP7, quite possibly more. The entry level price for a WP7 phone might by then only be what Nokia has as the ASP for all smartphones right now!
Since Nokia want to remain a manufacturer for all price points, they either keep Symbian alive for longer to provide smartphones (albeit with less apps than the Android competition) at low price points, or they make do with S40, adapted to be more like a smartphone.
The former is unlikely, since it would mean continuing to support three platforms.
The latter is already happening to a degree (there are applications for S40 in the ovi store, social networking support is there etc.), but it will necessarily remain limited, e.g. I don't see multi-tasking for S40 on the horizon. The danger here is that while there will be people who will want these super-featurephones, Nokia is abandoning an entire segment, the low-cost smartphones, to Android, further diminishing its market share.
To that end I think the slide didn't lack detail, it was entirely misleading. Nokia themselves, going by their own numbers, are aware that their product mix will necessarily shift massively to featurephones.

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Thank you everybody for the comments

This is a very busy time here on my blog, I am behind on my replies but will get to all of you, please keep the comments coming, I will respond to every one of you. It may take some time but I will get to them

Tomi Ahonen :-)


Looking to the future, I would like to make a suggestion. First, since the whole fiasco is about software, I think whoever develops the software is going to get the most credit. And that is especially true since Nokia's software is being dumped for Microsoft's.
With all that being said, maybe the new name for the joint venture should be:
However, since we're making suggestions for the future, I fully agree that Nokia should follow through with plan B.



If Meego was crap, it's Nokia's own fault. They HAD a good Debian-based mobile operating system in Maemo, but then decided to partner with Intel for some strange reason, switched to a Fedora code base, and then twiddled their thumbs on the handset UI while Intel made a decent netbook OS. Really, this is a failure of both the smartphone division and the OS division.

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Ok lets start with replies

Hi Arthur, Atul, Kalle, Phil, EO, DS, cygnus, saurabh and Jonas

Arthur - I have no factual info whatsoever about that. I think it would be very foolish for Nokia to try to sell say a Nokia N9 or Nokia E8 type of $600 dollar superphone now using Symbian, after its CEO has said the platform is on fire and Nokia is behind all rivals and the new phones will use Microsoft OS. That is why I made a pretty safe bet that Nokia's remaining Non-MS smartphones will be low cost and some mid-priced units

Atul - I never remove comments just because they are against me or my view. Look at this blog, we have over 4,000 comments and many of them call me an idiot etc. I keep negative comments and welcome them (and reply to each). I only remove those comments from readers who clearly didn't read the article (or in some cases, some comments that are not appropriate)

As to context-based computing.. Well. Maybe. Why that wouldn't have worked before with Nokia's Symbian and MeeGo strategy? I don't see. Why Nokia's PREVIOUS partnership with Microsoft to do intense MS software services integration (led by Elop himself) could not have done that?

Kalle - very good points about changing the game now, abandoning Linux skills etc. Also true, Microsoft was not the most loved possible partner inside Nokia, now those sentiments need to change for anyone who wants to continue a career inside the company. Also agree the management is stunned and trying very hard to shift the discussion. On the weekend Elop's message was 'but Microsoft is paying us' and now on Tuesday it seemed to be 'but we connect the unconnected'..

Phil - thanks, me too. The real test for me will be when I hold the first Microsoft Nokia phone in my hand, will my loyalty to Nokia overcome my dislike of Microsoft haha (says he who is a former Macintosh corporate trainer who curses every day his Windows-laptop takes another 'Microsoft Minute')

EO - I tried to be as honest and to the facts as I could, and honestly, when I say this is my optimist scenario, I am quite sure that when we return to this blog at the end of the year, and count how much money did Nokia's latest quarter earn from its Symbian (and MeeGo?) smartphones, the final revenues will be less than what I project. Both the market share and the average sales price are upside forecast for me, meaning either is more likely to be lower, and even if one is right and the other is lower, obviously Nokia is even further worse off than what I project. And remember, the starting point of the forecast is ALSO an optimist view (Nokia market share crashed 6% from Q2 to Q3, and 5% from Q3 to Q4 - why would it stop falling now to Q1. Rather than start at 28%, its quite possible Nokia starts at 26% or worse..

DS - isn't that essentially all in Microsoft's interest. I don't see any Nokia interest in that.

cygnus - haha, ouch! Yes, there are plenty of my fans here who have read my earlier stuff haha.. Seriously, yes, good point. I measured last year that roughly one in 6 customers who bought a smartphone would place the OS as the highest interest. But.. It now changed totally on Friday. Now its not the consumer, it is the sales rep, who has a tool to make the sales rep seem intelligent and provide value to the random visitor to the store. The standard story in every store this week already for new smartphone buyers is that Symbian is dead.. That is why the damage is so severe. Its not the buyer, its the sales guy.

On MeeGo vs Phone 7 handsets. Me too. Would utterly love to see that, but its almost impossible. Nokia will be sure to make its experimental phone very modest so it won't be anything near a real hit phone. Obviously Nokia cannot be so embarrassed that its only MeeGo device would be a hit. And it may well be not a phone. It could be a tablet or netbook or some media player or something. I am reading between the lines that Elop is not committing to a 'smartphone' using MeeGo. If its not a phone, it won't matter haha..

And on Intel's side. Yes, would so love to see a hot phone and have it beat the first Microsoft Nokia Phone 7 phone, just for the poetic justice of it. But that won't happen without a major smartphone maker with sales reach - so it would have to be Apple, RIM, Motorola, Samsung, LG, SonyEricsson, ZTE or HTC. No, none of those will bother with a MeeGo handset. If it comes from a smaller vendor, they won't have the carrier footprint to reach meaningful sales.

DS - very true! Yes, bada is not a weak OS, its just that it will run on very modest power CPU and memory etc devices. Yes, it is not sold as a 'third world OS' haha.. Sorry if that impression came across.

saurabh - I hear your pain and empathize, but also, this is water under the bridge. It does seem quite crazy by management, but would not be the first time crazy decisions were done by management haha. And sadly, Elop is clearly not a mobile guy, he didn't bother to learn about the industry his giant company is in, and has decided to apply to Nokia the lessons Microsoft's former partners - in PCs - hated.. If Elop really wanted to make Nokia the winner here, he'd have sold the box-mover cheap handsets and kept MeeGo and pushed resources to it from last autumn. But that was not his mission - the decision to kill MeeGo came with his choice as I explained in the blog on Monday.

About MeeGo tablet - there is also now a Fujitsu netbook which is not 'launched' but is actually now sold. And on the investor revolt, it seems to have been killed today (according to early press reports, I am not closely aware of it).

Jonas - thanks and yeah, me too haha. But yes, about corporate customers. The timing may be like you say, it may take a while for them to transition. What it does certainly mean, is that they cancelled all new Nokia E-Series purchase contracts on Monday the latest haha.. So even if the Symbian platform survives for some months to go, it will be removed, and in the meanwhile that corporate customer will no longer buy Nokia branded employee phones. If they have a second brand (like Blackberry) they will now only buy the second brand. If they were a one-brand house, they will rush a decision on which brand to get next.

Thank you all for writing. I will return with more comments soon

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Jan Slodicka

Great article, as many said above.

One thing I don't understand is why Nokia should take over "Microsoft terminology and processes". Terminology ok, but why the processes? Seems to me as an overkill.

What am I missing is some evaluation of WP7 platform. I know that it is not the right place to go into depth, but at least some basic statement.

I currently develop for WP7 after spending years at Palm, then a bit with WM. (And there are guys next to me working for iPhone, Android and before even for Symbian.)

As a developer I see WP7 very limiting compared to Palm/WM. Somebody above listed a few reasons, there are even more of them. The ambition to satisfy enterprises or power users looks like a bad dream to me. (I am not talking about typical consumers now.)

I see also a problem in mastering WPF/Silverlight/.Net, at least for those coming from traditional environments. It's simply a too drastic change.

You may see it a technical detail, but it's not. At least when you need to go into depth. Easy things are done easily, many well-known scenarios can be picked up and adjusted in nearly no time, but once you need to take care about non-standard things, performance etc. you are in trouble. Sometimes I have the feeling that even Microsoft bloggers (considered to be top programmers) are not sufficiently familiar with the platform.


Hi Tomi,

I believe Acer will introduce Tablet based on Meego

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Hi GJW, agoedde, don, Hantu, P, Steven, PJ and Sander

GJW - yeah.. MeeGo could be a recovery strategy. It would be a bruised and discredited and shamed Nokia, after the nasty treatment of Intel, and all the other equipment makers in the MeeGo alliance like Fujitsu, Acer, Asus etc - and the current Nokia developers, Qt etc. But yeah, in a kind of way, it is still a (distant) possibility. Of E-Series, thanks, yeah, it was pretty obvious to me when started the analysis and its particularly close to my heart, as I was supporting enterprise sales last in my life in the carrier/operator world before I left to join Nokia. So the enterprise telecoms purchasing world is particularly dear to me haha..

agoedde - fine. You can believe that about whether this was 'optimistic' as a scenario or perhaps 'realistic'. I know from my view, it was VERY optimistic, but I did want to try to find as much of the upside chance in this, a very dark moment for Nokia. The starting point is likely lower, the drop rate is likely stronger and the ASP damage is very likely much greater - all making this scenario far too 'good'. But thats my view, you are entitled to your view. We'll see in 10 months haha..

On WinMo being popular with smartphone users - no, that idea died when the iPhone came along. In fact its very clear if you map smartphone market shares, that from summer 2007 to summer 2010, the legacy brand that lost the most to the iPhone was WinMo and much of Symbian's loss was actually continuing the trend to RIM that started well before the iPhone. To see it, you have to do a regional market share comparison and its very clear as the iPhone and Blackberry have very divergent markets where they succeeded and conversely, the WinMo and Symbian damage is mirroring their successes.

With Symbian rolled to lower cost phones, that is true - but that was already factored into Nokia's projections prior to this Microsoft announcement. It is not a new strategy announced now (the shift of ever cheaper featurephones to Symbian). Wont' help..

don - Haha first on competition. Yes. Its like Ford saying its main competition is not Toyota, it is windfarms or somethign like that. Microsoft's main competition is Google maybe, but Nokia's primary competitor is Samsung and Nokia's new CEO could be forgiven for saying it is Apple. but not Google. Google sold what, half a million mobile phone handsets (Nexus) last year. And no networking gear. But Google's business is advertising. How much did Nokia earn out of Navteq's advertising arm? Maybe 1 or 2 percent of Nokia. Both have a smartphone OS which is free. So how much competitors (today) almost none. But Samsung - is now eating Nokia's cake. And the CEO did't 'see' that Samsung is there gobbling up Nokia's customers haha.. Smart!

I appreciate the pain, but it is a deliberate choice. Often the CEO is brought in from outside the industry to bring new vision to a corporation. It can help, it isn't a sure cure to problems. In this case, I think that Elop has presided and at least partly driven the decision which will be seen years from now as the pivotal catastrophic decision by Nokia. But he WAS brought in to shake the company and change the trajectory Nokia was on. As it turns out, he did change the company but rather than turn it for the better, he seems to have turned it into even worse condition. We can't be sure, it may be that he has some clever things coming up that we don't know about. We have already learned that this guy is very secretive and devious. Maybe he has a master plan that is more cunning than a fox who has achieved a Ph.D. in Cunning from Oxford University haha (borrowing from Black Adder..)

Hantu - I hear you. But there is no way Stephen Elop made an evaluation of MeeGo after he arrived, and then set up discussions with Microsoft and Google and got that decision to kill MeeGo through the Board, weeks before MeeGo was to launch. No way. It was a decision that was decided before he was signed, the Board accepted his idea to negotiate with Google and Microsoft (Google CEO has verified he negotiated with Nokia). Elop killed MeeGo as one of the first things he did after he started. No, if this was done on the merits of MeeGo and Elop evaluating the software and its viability - as a smartphone OS - he wasn't anything near competent to do that in a few weeks after he was signed. He was making amateur mistakes about the industry in his burning platforms memo for goodness sakes, that was 5 months after he had started.

P - good point. The carrier response is very significant. And you know what all carriers say about Nokia - all of them - that Nokia is too big and too strong. They will cherish the chance to cut Nokia down in size now, far better for the carriers to have Samsung and LG and Apple etc closer to Nokia in size. So I hear you, but the result will be that carriers will happily help Nokia shrink a bit in size and laugh while that happens.. Besides, now the latest keynote by Stephen Elop did not win him any new friends with the operators/carriers when Nokia now says it will bring 'instant messaging' to Nokia S40 series featurephones. This is exactly what operators do NOT want. It threatens SMS, they have far too much of that damage in Blackberry's instant messenger and will not support any handset makers who have similar ambitions.

On MeeGo, very good point. Imagine if the CEO was honestly completely unbiased. If the CEO was truly looking for the best smartphone OS and device option for Nokia. What would he do? He would now support fully MeeGo and the one device and help make it the best possible - and compare it fairly against the first Phone 7 phone. Right? This is the honest fair unbiased comparison. But we know fully well that won't happen. Elop is ex Microsoft and now had presided over the big strategic choice Nokia made. He cannot be seen to have made a mistake with his first big partner move. He will torpedo the MeeGo project in every way. It will not get the resources. It will not get a good launch window. The handset will be delayed for whatever bogus reasons, so that is specs will not be hot, etc. It will not be a fair fight, the outcome is pre-ordained. The MeeGo device by Nokia will only serve to 'prove' that the Phone 7 strategy was right and MeeGo was not viable for Nokia. That storyline was scripted in September.

Steven - the memo, yes. It is clearly real, Elop himself has verified he wrote it. And then if we go read it again, and my analysis of it. I said that if the CEO of the world's biggest handset maker wrote that, the boss is a psycopath. That was harsh of me, I was partly kidding - but the decision he has now presided over, has destroyed what, 11 Billion dollars in value on the stock market and killed the E-Series business unit and essentially destroyed the N-Series. His actions have ruined dozens of major partnerships - that of Intel very openly in public - and Nokia's reputation which previously was far better than just about anyone else in the industry - as Nokia could be trusted, they would not screw you, their word was to be trusted, etc. And he gifts what I counted was wroth 14.6 Billion dollars in Nokia's most valuable customers to its rivals. I think these are actions of a 'psycopath' - definitely a deranged boss and his memo contains very many statements that spell more damage to come to Nokia. Yes, the points about 'Nokia not on par with rivals' - is not what you expect from the CEO for example - of any company. Not that you can't be honest but that is pretty brutal - in particular because Nokia has plenty of reason to point out areas where it does lead.. Anyway, yeah, I think we have enough of the memo haha..

PJ - that makes sense

Sander - thanks. I am not a developer myself and most of my customers are not in that space so I trust you understand it far better than I do. I do totally agree about the ecosystem being expanded like with iPad and Touch for iOS. But on that, Windows Phone 7 is, as far as I understand, a smartphone OS only (and fresh up from the ground) but MeeGo was a multi-platform OS with already netbooks and tablets out, and soon TVs and other devices, in addition to smarpthones.

Thank you all for the comments.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Adrian Bunk

When saying "MeeGo is not vaporware" it is also worth mentioning that the WeTab, a MeeGo tablet, is available in German shops since September 2010.

NOKIAs Workers You are comitting  Suicide !

Great analyicis Tomi !This Judas Elop have just KILLED a great company as NOKIA !!
I for Ex. will NEVER EVER buy a NOKIA again if this goes thru !! ( For NOKIAs sake I hope they still do MUTINY because this is SUICIDE on their part ! ) Judas Elop Thinks he saves MS with this ! BOY IS HE WRONG !!!!
MS think that they can force NOKIAs Costumers to use their OS....


And Tomi as fellow Finn an advice....

Stop from now on to give MS FREE OR ANY ADVICE....


NOKIAs Workers You are comitting  Suicide !

Great analyicis Tomi !This Judas Elop have
just KILLED a great company as NOKIA !!
I for Ex. will NEVER EVER buy a NOKIA again
if this goes thru !! (

For NOKIAs sake I hope
they still do MUTINY because this is SUICIDE
on their part ! ) Judas Elop Thinks he saves
MS with this !



MS think that they can force NOKIAs Costumers
to use their OS....


The Chinese will cook up MeeGo to something GREAT....And take over the WORLD !! That will be my next REAL SMARTphone

...WP7.5 or whatever #¤%& "They" will Call it will NEVER Sell !

And Tomi as a fellow Finn an advice....

Stop from now on to give MS FREE OR ANY



great report by good analysis
i hope nokia might be good than moto codition


hi Tomi -- what do you have to say about this report from the Wall Street Journal, Feb. 25: 2011: "When Mr. Mead (Verizon Wireless CEO Daniel S. Mead) heard that Nokia Corp. had struck a partnership with Microsoft to adopt Windows phone as its principal smartphone operating system instead of its own Symbian software, he said he contacted Nokia Chief Executive Stephen Elop to congratulate him and express his interest in learning more about the company's plans." According to Verizon Wireless CEO -- "When you think about the capabilities of of those two companies, we are very interested," he said. At this stage, Mr. Mead said Verizon is waiting to hear from Nokia on how to move forward.

Tomi -- don't you think that statement coming from the Verizon Wireless CEO is HUGE? Looks like Elop nailed it! Microsoft is how Nokia gets inside the U.S. carriers. This is not to say Nokia will be a guaranteed success once it gets there since its phones will have to compete with the iPhone, Droid and other WP7 phones -- but it's finally got its foot in the door for the first time in YEARS; it just has to create the super windows smartphone to attract the carrier subsidies it seeks in the big leagues of the U.S. Market(Verizon and At&t).


Tomi -- here is the link to the Wall Street Journal article containing a direct quote from Verizon Wireless CEO that he is now very interested in Nokia ever since he heard it would be shifting to Windows OS.

Tomi -- This is the CEO of the largest U.S. carrier saying on record that he is the one calling Nokia, that he is now very interested in Nokia, and that he is now waiting on Nokia's plans, ever since he heard of the OS switch to Windows.

Because what Verizon wants, AT&T also wants -- you can bet that the CEO of AT&T Wireless is not that far behind in wanting to play golf with Elop.

Tomi -- this is your beloved Nokia, suddenly sought after by the biggest U.S. Carrier (with the rest soon to follow). Did you ever imagine this would happen in your lifetime? And since thus far the U.S. has been setting the smartphone trends throughout the rest of the world, it looks like there's hope for Nokia beginning 2012, when it starts volume shipment of high end Windows phones.

Thank you, Tomi, for your highly informative, intelligent, analytical, comprehensive posts. Now cheer up! After the disastrous 2011 for Nokia that you have eloquently articulated, it now looks like there is tangible hope afterward in the U.S. Market (and therefore worldwide), per Verizon CEO. As it has often been said, "the night is darkest just before the dawn."

The significance of this news cannot be understated: This is the CEO of the largest U.S. carrier willing to listen to Nokia's plans and take its cue from it, because of its preferred partnership with Microsoft. What this translates to -- if other operators worldwide take their cue from Verizon Wireless -- is that as the Symbian E series is phased out and operators worldwide ask Nokia what it proposes they recommend to their Corporate enterprise customers to replace the E series with -- if Nokia says Microsoft is here to stay, so go with Microsoft (rather than the Blackberry whose future stability is debatable) -- I think the operators and enterprises will listen.

So any advantage Rimm has this year is possibly short lived, and it may yet turn out that Microsoft Nokia will be the third ecosystem.


Verizon expecting LTE 4G devices from Apple, looking to future with Nokia

News by Michael Oryl on Saturday February 26, 2011.

Speaking to The Wall Street Journal, Verizon CEO Dan Mead said that he expects Apple to build devices for use on Verizon's 4G LTE network. "You'll see more coming from Apple on LTE" he said, adding "They understand the value proposition of LTE and I feel very confident that they are going to be a part of it." Mead provided no time frame as to when Apple would build LTE capable devices for Verizon's network.

Mead is also reported to have said that he reached out to Nokia CEO Stephen Elop when he heard about Nokia's deal with Microsoft and its Windows Phone 7 smartphone operating system, saying "When you think about the capabilities of those two companies, we are very interested." Mead supposedly said that he is waiting to hear from Nokia on how Nokia and Verizon Wireless can move forward on that front.

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