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February 09, 2011

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Arild

@Ajit Jaokar

> Open source introduces a MUCH higher rate of change .. that explains Android

Well, Android is not open source in the collaborative way that it gets a lot of input from 1000s of coders during development. Google paid coders prepare a release and once it is done they dump the source, which of course people can then do what they want with. But the cutting edge stuff that get put into Galaxy S or Nexus S or Xperia 10 is developed behind closed doors before having further features added behind some other closed doors. See http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/10/is-android-open/ for example for a discussion.

Hence the speed in Android development (apart from modders on XDA which represent a minority of sales)

I think the key here is Rubin's comment that there are fewer people coding Android than people expect.. where I saw that Nokia has 5,000 people working on Symbian just to "improve" it... crazy, too much overhead for communicating betwen staff to get anything done.

denial

First:
Congratulations TOMI, your blog broke the news barrier:
http://www.mtv3.fi/
have not checked if this is cited by others yet or not.

Second:
There is nowhere real proof that this is not fake. Sure it has been in all major media. and in my morning newspaper. Still no comment from Nokia. Even in quote to your blog, press is not able to get facts on the table.

Third:
Everyone can judge if Nokia is way off or not with their products:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcHYZsbrK8A

If you look at that it looks straighforward to make the killer product... whatever is the OS that allows to combine best of both...

Fourth:
Its clear Nokia can improve and shall

Fix the browser

To previous comment... and to Nokia... fixing just the browser would do good...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUmCOu8qS4&feature=fvw

and then the surroundings ovi, etc.

Ajit Jaokar

@Arild yes not all of Android is open source. however, the rate of change argument applies still ie no longer do we have 18 month handset cycles rather we have devices coming in months after a specific android release. thats what I mean rgds Ajit

hoax or not?

@denial

Tomis blog spreading:

http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&rlz=1T4HPEA_fiFI346FI347&q=elop+hoax+nokia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Mirmit

It seem at the end the memo is real - Nokia's inside sources from outsid eof Finland. However, itcan be read in multiple way, hence all the buzz (noise?) around it.

Nokia looking at building or joining an ecosystem is a good thing. In fact they already have one wich is far from being negligeable. What about WebOS community nowaday?

But thinking Nokia could dump its OSes would refrain any current Nokia's ecosystem member to continue with them, as they would have just pull the carpet under their feet. I would say it would be a pretty dangerous move.

Nokia changing sytrategy by a 180° move would require they are able to feed the pipe with new devices with the new OS from now. Otherwise, who would follow them on a announced to be defunct OS in the mean time. It take from 9 (for Koreans) to 36 months to make a new phone. I know using WP7 is more or less just about putting some plastic around a Qualcomm Chipset, but even do it take time.

Nokia changing strategy would require to have it almost complete in order to avoid any gap.

One option would be to embrace one platform to address the US market, but I'm not even sure it would help, as US seem very reluctant to Nokia's products. This approach to have one (or few) out of range device has already being played by Nokia when they launched a UIQ device in Mainland China market - but it didn't end up anywhere.

The main problem in Nokia is about execution and I guess it where the change need to be applied, but they have today the basic elemnts they can build on. They need to complete MeeGo - still a long journey - and really clean up their Symbian middleware and applications. I cannot belive a system running at 600MHz is almost as slow as the Psion Series 5 running an older iteration of the system on a 18 Mhz processor.

Mirmit

Just to add something about the reality of this post. It can be found on internal's Nokia blog. The question if it's stephen Elop who write it is another story.

Mirmit

@Ajit Jaokar: On Nokia booth you were asked to switch to a Nokia phone to being able to use the service? It's fair game. I get a lot of mail saying to me: look we have this supperbe application to compliment our great product/service/whatever. You can download it to your iPhone. But I don't own an iPhone, so I have no capabilities to enjoyed what they are offering me. It's the same storry. And the conclusion would be - as Tomi say - mobile web service or multiplatform support.

rfb

I think the memo is widely optimistic if anything. There is no way that Nokia can compete with Asian manufacturers (eg HTC). There is no way Nokia can compete with US semiconductor houses (eg Qualcomm). There is no way Nokia can compete with US software (eg Apple, Google, Microsoft). This leaves a marketing and distribution business. That type of business can be highly profitable since it doesn't require large capital investments but it leaves Nokia a shell of its former self. And the US market is ruled out because the phones are mostly distributed by carriers here.

sincey

since you've had time to reflect is your opinion still of the same?
and what do you think is in store later in London?

speg

You have drunken way too much Nokia-aid.

You're doing exactly what you accuser Elop of doing and can't tell the forest from the trees.

Nokia is in a downward spiral, and MeeGo is NOT the answer.

Jonas Lind

How about this speculation:

Ethnocentric, US-centric, narrow-minded analyst with a need to push his own agenda = Elop?

zugu

And now it's official. WP7 will be Nokia's primary smartphone platform.

Waiting for mea culpa.

 Tomi T Ahonen

To all in this thread

Stephen Elop has confirmed that the memo was real. I was wrong. I apologize for the hysteria. Also - obviously - as I felt it would be madness to believe some of the items he said - and he said them - I also do think he does not understand the company he is running, and is making a monsterously bad move. But there is no point in discussing it here in this thread. This thread is now formally dead - I was wrong - and if any of you would like to write about the Microsoft and Nokia partnership etc, there is a blog posting about that, feel free to join me there with comments.

Thank you to all who posted comments

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Richard Peters

Not only is the email genuine but Stephen Elop has admitted he said it.

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We too, are standing on a "burning platform," and we must decide how we are going to change our behaviour," writes Elop, before outlining how Nokia's business is under attack at the high-end from Apple, at the mid-range from Android, and at the low-end by Chinese manufacturers.
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