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July 26, 2010

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Jarmo Lahti

Tomi, some discussion in Finnish after you previous blog here: http://www.qaiku.com/go/839d/

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Re: http://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/19607346904

In the discussion I mentioned is at the moment 40 comments, some really long.

Brad

Tom,

Not sure what are talking about?? All over the news today and Apple's press release:

"Beginning this Friday, customers can purchase iPhone 4 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Singapore, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. iPhone 4 will be available for purchase through Apple’s retail and online stores and Apple® Authorized Resellers."

It lists Switzerland as being released. D

HCE

Tomi,

Regarding Windows Phone 7, you write

> The phone makers are Samsung, LG, Dell, Acer and HTC. Only two of the five
> are major handset makers, as Samsung and LG are numbers 2 & 3 among the
> world's top 10 biggest dumbphone makers.

Why does a company have to make oodles of dumbphones to be considered a "major handset maker"? Given that we are talking about a smartphone OS here, I think HTC has far more right to be called a "major manufacturer" than any of the others on the list. Certainly, they make more smartphones than any of the others. I agree that a case can be made for calling Acer and Dell "minor" but I don't see how HTC does not qualify as major here.

- HCE


kevin

Tomi,
Some further clarification of your data:
1. The IDC survey was of IT professionals, who are not the type to ever recommend Apple products. And yet the survey also said "74% of those who do not own an iPhone, but plan to buy one, said that the antenna and reception problems would not delay their purchase plans." So 66% of those who have iPhones, will delay upgrades, but 74% of those without iPhones, said antenna problems won't delay their purchase plan.
2. AT&T's end-of-quarter was June 30. Apple's end-of-quarter was June 26. So AT&T's activation numbers include some iPhones that are not part of Apple's 8.4m. Possibly up to .5M more. But agreed, iPhone abroad not facing problems.
3. Do you have a reference for the Switzerland delay? Have not yet seen any story on the web.
4. My true story: My wife decided on Sunday she wanted an iPhone 4 (her 2-year old phone is turning off on its own); she's clueless about iPhone 4 demand. I called the local Burlington store on Sunday pm, sold out. She was at the store on Monday for my son's free Apple Camp workshop; they told her they had 16 units - just come by during the day, she didn't get one because it's my phone that is eligible for full subsidy upgrade so she called me later after she had left the store; I called at 5pm before heading to store, all gone. She's back at store on Tuesday for workshop day 2; they told her they had 2 phones, she called me to ask if the 16GB was okay, went back to counter, all gone. They told her they had 40 on Sunday, but sold out in an hour. At least in this part of the world, demand hasn't subsided.

maipenrai

The numbers speak for themselves, no point "customizing" the facts to fit the Apples way of seeing things.

I think several trends are clear. Android is taking more and more of Apples customers. Blackberry and all the Chinese copies here in Asia have suddenly become all the rage and are forcing Nokia to dump prices even on their best smartphones, such as E72. Teenagers are walking aroung with big BB Curves and putting even bigger bumbers on them. It looks silly but thats whats happening right now. And Samsung is in luck for throwing out the Wave so early. It's a hit.

christexaport

@ HCE,
"Why does a company have to make oodles of dumbphones to be considered a "major handset maker"? Given that we are talking about a smartphone OS here, I think HTC has far more right to be called a "major manufacturer" than any of the others on the list. Certainly, they make more smartphones than any of the others. I agree that a case can be made for calling Acer and Dell "minor" but I don't see how HTC does not qualify as major here."

Its just like comparing Anheiser-Busch brewers to small microbrewers. The microbrewer can only sell what he has the capacity to make. Apple doesn't even make their own devices, as far as I know, and pays an ODM. And by the way, that ODM is Foxconn, a member of the Symbian Foundation, so you know.

Because supply chain, logistics, and manufacturing capacity are the biggest factors to selling devices, the guys with all the factories and sales are the major players. Apple can be as popular as they wish, but until they build the manufacturing capacity to actually build dozens of millions of devices per quarter, they are physically incapable. That goes for HTC as well, though they are growing, just not in the same class as Nokia, SE, and Sammy.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Jarmo, Brad, HCE, kevin, maipenrai, christexport

Jarmo - thanks, I came there to comment in Finnish too. Thanks!

Brad - I reported what I saw. I read a Swiss newspaper (in German) earlier this week that said Switzerland was delaying. Maybe it ended up not, and the newspaper was wrong, or maybe Apple was wrong. I don't know, I live here in Hong Kong and report what I find.

HCE - that is a different market and it is measured and HTC is not in the Top 10 in that market. I have argued (please go read the market share blog of today) explaining why dumbphone performance is a signigicant but not deciding factor in how a smartphone maker will gain or lose market share.

kevin - the demand is down, that is what all the evidence says including the IDC survey. What you are saying, that even after the demand is down, still Apple is selling out the current stock and has waiting periods. That is all fine and good. But Apple's sales would be BETTER if its demand was not down.

maipenrai - thanks, yes the numbers help in these situations, but you know that some people have a hard time facing facts and will seek any way to prove that the truth is 'not out there' haha. I go by the numbers like you and report the facts as I see them. I then add my best insights into analyzing the numbers, where I think it adds value

christexport - thanks

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maipenrai - thanks, yes the numbers

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