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May 14, 2007

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David Cushman

Absolutely Tomi,
One person one vote now - and it's easy to do. People feel engaged because they can have a DIRECT influence. The old jury's mediated and could never represent either an entire nation's tastes or prejudices.

Would love to know if any swarming went on though?

I have to admit I don't watch - so do they weight the votes - which to me would dilute the engagement of the individual.

Tommi Vilkamo

Brilliant insight! :)

David Cushman

Would you believe a British MP is now tabling a Commons motion suggesting the UK pulls out of Eurovision until it is revamped because voting has become 'politicised' and the standard of songs has fallen as some kind of consequence of this (go figure?).

tim harrap

One of the old DJ's in the UK actually reported on the UK radio the next day that the reason the UK again got poor points was because of Iraq!! So the theory has it we haven't done really well in Eurovision since the UK went with the Americans in to Iraq. Once we get out we can see better results! And also we might get better engagement with Europe on more issues than just Eurovision.

Tomi Ahonen

Hi David, Tommi and tim

Thanks for stopping by and posting the comments.

I remember when I was young (and the hair wasn't grey) and the Eurovision song contest was one of the highlights of the Spring. In Finland we actually had two annual song contests. The national broadcast (public) TV company, YLE, would broadcast the Eurovision contest in the Spring, and it always had the national contest of who we would send (who up till last year would usually end up dead-last, with "Finlande, Nil Poeng"). And then in the Autumn we had the rival TV broadcaster, the commercial MainosTV have their big song contest Syksyn Savel (the Song for the Autumn).

So growing up there always was this euphoria about song contests. But yes, also Finland always did badly in the Eurovision so it also was a perennial disappointment.

But there is that passion which we have with music - especially when young - which brings up this opportunity for this undoubtedly kitch contest with ever more ludicrous acts.

But it is good fun and obviuously generates several millions of votes each year. So yes, I think it has a valid place on the cultural calendar.

David - about swarming. You know we reported from last year's (Finland winner) Lordi Hard Rock Halleluia winning song that it generated unprecedented amounts of swarming in votes. I doubt if the current songs were able to tap into that passion, as they (to me) seemed much too similar as traditional mainstream Europop entrants. No rap no heavy metal etc to pull in the "disenfranchised" Eurovision viewer votes...

Tommi - kiitos... (thanks)

David - on UK pulling out? That was what I was afraid of, as I recall Terry Wogan's ever more desperate complaints about the "bloc votes" over the past few years when I was following his reporting of the song contest when I lived in the UK. That was partly why now as this year's votes are so "anti-bloc" voting eg Estonia for Russia, come on, there were some fears that tanks might roar back into Tallinn - the Russians as a nation are definitely currently the dead-last nation the Estonians would want to support. So bloc-voting, come on. Its national minority voting which gave Estonian 12 points to Russia.

Oh, sorry, forgot my point. Yes, that mis-guided issue of supposed bloc-voting - and the myth widely reported on BBC world news etc - was what prompted me to blog about the facts underneath the votes this time (last time I HAD to celebrate Finland's first win in the 51 years of the contest)

tim - about Iraq ? I honestly do think there probably were some in Europe who might have wanted to "punish" the UK for Iraq. Had the USA been a contestant, it would probably have been much bigger against them. But yes, I could see a little bit of that.

It does not explain the poor performance this year. I would say that Iraq might have influenced a few select voters here and there, but no, the British lack of success was due to a poor song. Come on, the winner of the Eurovision is not always a masterpiece of a song, but out of the contestants, the top 3 songs invariably are among the "best of the lot" on a mass-market level. We don't have really horrible songs winning (considering the rivals that given year).

So if Britain wants to win, they should send a winning song. Why isn't a Justin Timberlake or Robbie Williams etc singing something really hit-material into the contest. Years ago the entrants were national superstars, Britain sent Cliff Richards for example when he was regularly on the top of the charts, and similar national top artists represented the Europeans. Recently the UK has sent total newcomers, often collected together only for the contest.

And with really below-average songs. Again, UK has totally dominated the world music stage since the Beatles. American artist may have sold a bit more, but in proportion to population British acts have totally ruled the radiowaves with no equal. Why can't Britain send a good song and a good singer/band to the contest? Coldplay? Arctic Monkeys? Whats-her-name Lily (one of Alan's fave artists, listening to Lily or looking for Lily or whatever she is called). Or like the Sugababes what was it a year ago, Push the Button. THAT is pure ABBA. Sugababes doing Push the Button would have won the Eurovision, CERTAINLY.

Britain could easily do it if they just bothered. For years Britain hasn't bothered.

Its a shame. Now we get to enjoy the first Eurovision song contest winner in a language very few Western Europeans can understand. Serves us right, too. The Eastern Europeans are taking the contest much more seriously than we do..

my thoughts, its very late here in Hong Kong. Thanks for writing

Tomi :-)

Elliott

1,Annual Euro-pop extravaganza son contest
2,Marija Serifovic and the son Molitva
3,to complain unhappily
4,No author does not agree with the grumbling
5,There is any bloc-voting or political or tactical voting.
6,No,every country can not vote for their own country
7,Ethnic subgroup would vote for each other.
8,No,I have not.If you could give me a ticket to contest show,I will.
9,Of course.Super girls,Dream China
10,Sure I will

Hyun Mi Choi

1. European song contest
2. Marija Serifovic
3. many european people complain about the result of the contest
4. No, he doesn't agree with that complaining
5. to make an example th prove that distorted situation
6. NO, every country can not vote for their own country
7. ethnic subgroup in other country can vote for their country without restriction
8. No
9. Of course, song festival for Unversity students
10. sure, I will

lilifre

1 song contest of Europe
2 Serbia won the 2007 contest.
3 that means discontent
4 no
5 just testify the music voting that is not a relative with bloc...and...
6 no
7 minority and ethnic subgroup living in ohter counties usually to vote their own native music
8 No
9 Of course!
10 wooooo..she is so strong..up

Joonhong Kim

1. Eurovision is a song contest.
2. Mrija Serifovic from Serbia
3. It means that the writer thinks the vote for the winner seems to be taken by the political intention or something.
4. No, he doesn't.
5. Estonia and Russian are in the heated political dispute but Estonia gave 12 points to Russia. It means that there is no political intention for the vote. The writer wanted to say it.
6. No.
7. Because the biggest ethnic subgroup in the countries which took part in Eurovision is the people of the enemy. They vote for the their homeland. And it can make the results be seen like that.
8. No, I haven't.
9. I don't think so.
10. Ok, I'll try it. Thank you, Mr. Steven.

Eunju Kim

1. Eurovision is the annual Euro-pop extravaganza for a vote for the song of Europe.

2. Marija Serifovic of Serbia and the song Molitva won this year's Eurovision contest.

3. He mentioned that UK Eurovision long-term host Terry Wogan grumbled about "political" or "tactical" or "bloc" voting.

4. No, he doesn't agree with the grumbling.

5. To explain that there is no bloc-voting or political or tactical voting. Estonia and Russia are currently in a heated political dispute, so if there is any bloc-voting or political or tactical voting Estonia would not give top votes to Russia, but Estonia gave 12 points to Russia.

6. No, a country cannot vote for it's own country.

7. Even though they are apparent enemies, largest ethnic subgroup in one country vote for their home country to express national solidarity to their home country.

8. No, I haven't.

9. We have some song contests for just Korean pop musics.

10. I'll try to log on that website.

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