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May 23, 2018

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Teemu

According to the sources Galaxy S9 is the worst selling Samsung flagship since S3.

ExNokian

I’m more or less overtempted to throw this link here:

http://dominiescommunicate.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/how-apple-copied-the-form-factor-of-the-iphone/

Thanks @piot for the idea.

Oldster

Tomi must be in the hospital or dead. Tomi gives people the death penalty for defying his LG Chocolate theory.

Oldster

While we are taking advantage of the, hopefully temporary, absence of Tomi's heavy hand...

OMG - the winner of mobile is the company who makes the most money. Far and away that is Apple. Apple has trounced the competition and set themselves up for a couple decades to reap most of the money to be made making and selling smartphones. Winner winner Apple.

Market share matters most may have been true once, may be mostly true now — but Apple has found a way for it not to matter all that much in smartphones.

What is Google without Apple's platform? A third less valuable easily and that’s because Google still gets so much value for PC web ad sales....not from Android's dominance.

What is Samsung without supplying Apple (and copying Apple)?

The only company able to control its destiny is Apple. Google has to reply on Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung and the rest. Samsung is shackled by Google. China is completely free of Google (for now). Yet Chinese companies are hampered because they stole so much of their IP and can’t sell their products in the West.

Apple won, and it wasn’t even close

Tester

Let's wait and see how much Apple has "won".

Nokia had "won" 10+ years ago and completely threw everything away.
You can see the same thing in various industries that there once was one seemingly insurmountable king of the hill - and they nearly all fell from the top, either going bankrupt or realigning their businesses around more "normal" proportions.

What makes Apple so special that they are immune from it? They are actually making mistakes. Big mistakes, in fact. It's just that the general public just ignores them, but that doesn't change a bit about them being made. Let me just repeat what I said before: Apple's product is not about being "best" anymore (which once upon a time it actually was), but about being the most profitable. And say what you want: This will eventually bite them in the ass - hard.

Jim Glu

@Tester,

Nokia would have been just fine had they more money on hand. Same for Blackberry and Palm. And Msft stayed in years later than their product had a right to survive because they could afford too.

Every company CAN fail. Apple is showing zero signs of failing. They are going from strength to strength. Tomi scores the race by market share, so I'm sticking to his rules. Apple came in 2nd place and seems fairly ensconced there.

I don't buy into the "Apple now has bad quality" - they don't. They've just come out with a keyboard replacement program so those who are facing this problem will indeed have redress with Apple. You can always count on Apple coming through. And Apple being Apple, every problem is super magnified. Exploding phones anyone? Apple still stands behind their products at a far higher level than anyone else. What are you doing to do when your $300 Acer laptop keyboard goes bad? Like me, you have to throw it away. It's life as a laptop is over. You MIGHT attach an external keyboard and use it as a desktop. But you only paid $300 so you aren't surprised when it turns out to be a POS.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Jim:

Sorry, but Apple "quality", well, is no more.

In their quest to get as much profit from each device as possible, they make very luxurious outer parts but cuts a lot of corners inside the device.

And no, sorry, Nokia problems were not one of money, but a series of bad business decisions. These were compounded when they made the fatal mistake of killing off Meego, and subsequently going Windows Phone instead of Android.

Tester

@PWE:

"And no, sorry, Nokia problems were not one of money, but a series of bad business decisions. "

This is one of the things the Apple guys never seem to get right. Yes, in the end Nokia had money problems, but they were caused by bad business decisions made years before the shit finally hit the fan, which in the end led to more bad business decisions because when panic reigns, there won't be any sanity anymore.

And that's precisely where I see the biggest danger for Apple as well. In their never ending quest for maximum profit, they degraded several of their product to their users dismay. I only reiterate the soldered parts in recent Macs. This has driven customers away already and the more they get locked into that spiral of cutting costs to maximize profit there *will* eventually be some product in the future that won't cut it anymore. If they want to be seen as a premium brand they need to deliver no-compromise premium product, i.e. the best of the best. And they simply don't.
And the deeper they get entrenched into that cost-saving strategy they currently run, the harder it will be to get out again because the necessary talent will not be there anymore when it is needed - it would have been replaced with people who know how to cut corners to save costs, not to build uncompromisingly good products.


BennyDover

“In their quest to get as much profit from each device as possible, they make very luxurious outer parts but cuts a lot of corners inside the device.”

This so much BS that you exceeded your BS limit for the next 127,67 years. Have you ever seen how much engineering Apple puts inside the computer. They are so well build that if tou open any other computer it makes your eyes hurt.

The basic thing is that if a company has a lots of quality issues the warranty repairs will cost them tons of money and will hurt the earnings. Company could also go bankrupt if the issue continues. Apple is highly profitable company and that means that they do not have big quality problems. If Apple would have a huge problem with one product they would just kill it like what they did with the Cube. There one 10 cent part calibration failed too often causing huge amount of expensive repair calls. With other problems Tim Cook pulled plug from that.

Apple does not just use quality parts they also have excellent technical support and repair services. If something goes wrong they will do everything to get you through fast and without any extra hula hoops. You see Apple knows that happy customers buys more stuff and they make sure that the customer is happy even if things goes south.

BennyDover

I will tell you a secret behind the Apple’s excellent hardware quality.
Apple demands 3 years warranty from the part suppliers. That means that if the part fails within 3 years the part supplier is responsible for the cost of the repair. That means that part supplier has to maintain higher than excellent quality because failing to do so would cost you a fortune and also ruin your relationship with the Apple. Apple’s hardware failure rate is lowest in the market and is less than 1%. And that is amazing achievement. Apple demands quality and gets it.

BennyDover

”This so much BS that you exceeded your BS limit for the next 127,67 years.”

Damn typo... 1276,7 years.

FIGJAM

@ExNokian
"I’m more or less overtempted to throw this link here"

And I am just as overtempted to point out that rounded-corners rectangles, full-face touchscreen (they didn't have a home button even) *smartphones* existed 5 (FIVE) YEARS before that piece of shit feature-phone which was the original iPhone. Look at the Ericsson P800 and Sony-Ericsson P900 for example. I had them both.

As for the specific design of the original iPhone, just look at the Samsung F700 for example and tell me you don't see the (strong) resemblance. It was shown to the public the next month that Apple showed the iPhone.
Sure, the NEXT month, not the month BEFORE (although design patents for the F700 were applied in S. Koreas in **2006**, BEFORE the original iPhone was announced!!), but I am sure that even you are aware of the time needed to design any new product so the point here is that nobody copied anyone, that was just the obvious design evolution which the most disparate makers were pursuing each on their own (and *obviously* each with an eye to what everybody else was doing).

Technically, of course, the F700 offered a number of features that Apple didn't offer until MUCH later. For example support for 7.2Mbps HSDPA mobile networks (not available until the iPhone 3GS) and a 5 megapixel camera (unmatched until the iPhone 4 LOL).

Also very interesting that Apple did everything (and succeded) in blocking Samsung F700 designer's testimony in their design infringement lawsuit... Apple argued that the testimony was "irrelevant" because the F700 wasn't among the list of devices Apple had accused of infringement, the judge sadly agreed even though a court had previously ruled that the Samsung's F700 could be admissible to "rebut an allegation of copying" (but stated that it "does not constitute prior art", which I agree with). In other words the jury really didn't have the full picture, and most importantly it was an American jury and the US has in many ways long been basically the 3rd world when it came to the "mobile world" and knew jack shit about what was going on since YEARS in Western Europe and (especially) in Japan. It can still be felt today in their backward "mobile culture" where people buy expensive flagship smartphones, pay for expensive data plans, care for the data speeds available to them and then... still largely use fucking SMS as a main IM platform in 2018!!
(Disclaimer: those who remember my censored posts trying to discuss with Tomi when he chose to comment on the last American Presidential election know that I LOVE the US and Americans, this is not US bashing, it's simply the straight-up truth, as always.)

I am not sure why Tomi didn't mention all of what I just did and chose to focus on those 2 phones instead, but what's important here is that Apple "invented" and "innovated" shit.

Apple: limited and dumbed down crap for limited and dumbed down people.

P.S. And back in their heyday, I was an Ericsson "fan" (i.e. informed repeat customer), fuck Nokia LOL

Jim Glue

Hi Figjam - boy, Tomi missed the opportunity to make Samsung the inventor of the look of the iPhone. And yet, the 136 page document created by Samsung showing each and every way the iPhone was superior and then copying those items...kind of tells the tale. http://samsungcopiesapple.tumblr.com/page/3

Or check out that site. My favorite of which are the App store icons on Samsungs store backgrounds that are straight iOS.

Even things Samsung didn't need to copy - like the iPhone boxing and the iPhone power plug. It's like until Apple sued them, Samsung "designers" just aped Apple. Mind you, Samsung eventually went on and developed their own visual designs that I believe are quite striking and beautiful.

FIGJAM

@Jim Glue

We have already established that you are unable to follow simple arguments and comprehend basic texts, you just gave us further confirmation, which I didn't really need.
I suggest you go play with BennyDover, he is more in your league.

"boy, Tomi missed the opportunity to make Samsung the inventor of the look of the iPhone."

I have just made the case (and very explicitly stated as much) that nobody copied anyone: "the point here is that nobody copied anyone, that was just the obvious design evolution which the most disparate makers were pursuing each on their own (and *obviously* each with an eye to what everybody else was doing)".

As for some of what you say, yeah true, the design of the chargers, of some of the icons, of the box and a few other (very very) secondary things for the Galaxy S and for a few years afterwards were shamelessly copied from Apple.
But I had it, it was my first Android smartphone, and the only way you could represent it as an iPhone-copy is by using A LOT of "imagination" and... by lying.
I.E. by *altering its dimensions and proportions* (to make it appear the same size and proportions of the original iPhone, which it was NOT) and by showing the (Android, not Samsung) app drawer *instead of the actual launcher*. You know, like the famous "comparison photos" floating around the internet ALL do...

Samsung copied a few plugs, icons and a box. That *and that only* is what they should have paid and punished for. Apple has been found to infringe on others' designs (funnily enough icons included!) just as well, was found guilty just as well and paid for it just as well. Yet nobody knows shit about those cases...

By nobody, of course, I mean the average clueless moron who unsurprisingly often ends up being an Apple fan.

Jim Glue

The F700 was never included in products Apple said copied their IP. And I agree that these phones take so many years to develop, that nothing released a month before, or even a year before (before the seminal work) are copied (unless you want to credit industrial espionage).

It's smart to copy your competitors good ideas. Apple does it. Everybody does it. Samsung is just really shameless about it. My opinion, your mileage may vary.

Right now I think Samsung has the best looking phone and it's clearly their design. I always stick my iPhones in a case (I would any phone I'm paying %650 up for) so I never really get to enjoy the design all that much.

Long before you started participating....or were using a different alias...I spelled out my many personal reasons for preferring Apple products. I won't drudge them back up. Suffice it to say I have all the information and money I need to choose Android. I SHOULD be an Android fan (and I am, really) given that I work in IT, work with linux (and Windows and MacOS and and and).

Thing is....I work on computers all day long. If I want to geek out, I can always spin up a linux vm and download some new open source app or platform (a frequent thing I do). Except for my Mac, my Apple products are information appliances. I don't develop software on them. I don't spend endless hours configuring them. No Conky script. They "just work" and provide a lot of value to me.

BTW, with Siri and Shortcuts coming out....I just may start getting geeky with my iPhone.

My handicapping "the race" is all about being a technology fan. I love this stuff. I was around during the early days of the personal PC and haven't seen anything like that time until the iPhone was released. It's exciting to see real, substantive change on a yearly pace if not sooner.

I remember each jump in CPU used to bring new abilities: 8088, 80286, 80386 (and the sx variants)....through the Pentium and then into the multi-core cpu's with built in graphics. It's been a LONG time since a new PC brought my any new abilities. I go 10 years or more before replacing a PC. All the "casual use" aspects of the PC are now down on my iPhone or iPad (or Android phone, Amazon FireTab).

I might feel differently were I living in the third world or the emerging economies where the price of iPhones is prohibitive. I'd still handicap the iPhone the way I do because it's obvious the iPhone is vastly successful for very good and identifiable reasons. I'd just have to admire them from afar the way I admire Rolex Watches or Mercedez cars.

FIGJAM

"Long before you started participating....or were using a different alias..."

That's the only thing I am going to address. I have no idea if Tomi tracks the IPs of the people who post here but if he ever restricts posting the way any serious comment section does, and he chooses to ban me, I will simply cease to post.
I have never used and would never use any other alias, I don't spoof my IP and at various times I even wrote both of my 2 main e-mail addresses in the posting form here so he knows both of them.
The fact that you vaguely "accuse" me of doing childish stuff like that says a lot about you, especially since from a few posts I read on this "thread" it seems that you have actually done that kind of shit (and basically admitted as much) LMAO!

If you're so interested, my Disqus username is "Si vis pacem, para bellum". Comment sections which delete my posts or ban me simply never see me again (the last major one was Ars Technica, which I used to like but has lately become an incredible liberal cesspool, often interjecting partisan political commentary in what should be a purely "techical" website and starting to use a very heavy censoring hand like communists and socialists, and their cousins national socialists and fascists, *always* do. Tomi is a great example BTW ;) ).

Their loss, not mine.

BennyDover

“It was shown to the public the next month that Apple showed the iPhone.“

Why were they able to introduce it the next month? Well they were intimately familiar with the iPhone design because they supplied so many parts to it. It took Apple years to make the iPhone and all that time they worked with LG (display etc) and Samsung (processor etc). Just before the iPhone LG introduced the Prada to show case the new display that would be part of the iPhone.

Google was able to respond to iPhone quickly because thanks to Eric the mole Schmidt. It is not the first when Apples partners have betrayed it.

ExNokian

Didn’t any of you read what TOMI said about this?

"This is NOT simultaneous invention in parallel.
The original Apple concept for what became the iPhone – looked like a Motorola or Nokia phone, with buttons and a modest screen. Steve Jobs said no, killed that project, insisted on a total redesign and gave them one year."

I’m not saying that Prada copied iPhone or vice versa. Tomi says so.

https://dominiescommunicate.wordpress.com/2017/07/10/some-more-of-the-prada-folly/

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