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February 27, 2018


Jim Glu

You got it, Huber. I'm happy traveling with a 1.5lb laptop plus a 5oz dongle than 3lbs of power brick and a 5lb "has every port" desktop replacement laptop. I even pay more money for the privilege.

Horses for courses.


Mislaid my USB-B cable for the printer, so went to Best Buy to get one. The store had an incredibly huge selection of Android smart watches. It looks like smart watches aren’t dead yet.


(> "Dear HMD, the world is finally ready for the Nokia Communicator")

If that happens, I'll bet on mini Chromebook - Chrome-OS.
Here is why:
- Android apps are already standard ones at Chrome-OS (and Symbian is no-go today). People claims about better Android experience then at most Android tablets.
- some C. models already support LTE (4G) on SOC (not only wi-fi). Think about it as mobile smart-units for XXI Century.
Beside, what is expected to happen at Google I/O (exactly 2 months from now):
- KVM support (Kernel-based Virtual Machine, built into the Linux kernel) > "containers"
- Linux apps from Chrome-OS GUI, w/o having to use developer mode or a fake chroot (crouton etc).

So, it should be more like N900 (or unfulfilled N950).

@Jim Glu > Apple vendor lock-in
Sooo 20th Century!
You iFans got selective memory, just recall:
ADB, SCSI, FireWire, Thunderbolt 1/2... Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C). People spent thousands on e.g. SCSI devices/adapters... to be replaced soon. So history is repeating itself in Apple consumer world ("but it is privilege", to be in the loop, hell yeah).
Same is from software side:
Chromebooks took education market from Apple/MS: those kids run Android apps at school, at their smartphones, at their Smart-TV at home... over 3,6M apps, according to
Soon, those kids/men will use these familiar, standard apps to e.g. call Waymo Taxi from mobile, tablet, ultrabook, TV or any gadget/device (Google Home)... everywhere.
But, there will be always 10% of those "rich" retro guys with extra notches and dongles to refuse it.
Just because they have privilege (cite: "I even pay more money for the privilege.").
Privileged, special ones, with special abilities.
Made to run for President.



"those kids run Android apps at school, at their smartphones, at their Smart-TV at home... "

To extend on that, I can confirm that it's not young people who use iPhones and Macs. Most Mac users I know are long-time Apple customers from a time before the iPhone. Obviously these are mostly older people. The remaining ones are iOS developers. They use Macs because they have no choice. Having a Mac as a private computer is a true rarity, most are clearly being used by developers who cannot do their work without paying the Apple ransom.

With iPhones it looks even worse. Again I can make out two groups of people who use iPhones: Managers/Executives who think that not having "the best of the best" would tarnish their reputation, and again those older people who have been with Apple for all those long years when a Mac was still powered by a PowerPC CPU. The remaining users are a vanishingly small group.


The future of mobile and wearable. Apple Watch Series 3 GPS+Wireless:

“The health insurance company is integrating the Apple Watch into its UnitedHealthcare Motion digital wellness program, which gives people access to activity trackers that then allow them to earn up to $1,000 a year if they meet daily walking goals,” CNET reports. “After paying tax and shipping, anyone enrolled in UnitedHealthcare Motion can get an Apple Watch Series 3 and have the option to apply earnings from the program toward buying the device. After that, their earnings are deposited into their health savings account or health reimbursement account to help cover out-of-pocket medical expenses.”

You need an iPhone with that.

And even Google does not support its phones more than 2 years:

"The Nexus 6P and 5X launched with an update policy of two years for major OS updates and three years for security updates. They all launched in Q4 2015, so the two-year update window has been closed for some time now."

Per "wertigon" Ekström


Don't even start about health care, the U.S. system of health care is completely and utterly broken. You know this, I know this, Trump certainly know this.

Consequently, your news article only applies to the U.S. and the money you earn is probably not going to make it worth investing in the Apple watch in the first place.

Jim Glue

Tester, take a trip to your local'll see plenty of students with Macs.


Re: only long time Apple users etc.
I don’t know where you got that.
I work in an IT company at Finland. Managers and sales have Macs. Developers have PC Laptops running Linux (with few exceptions of MacOS/Linux dual boot). Those who do not fall into any of these categories run Mac or Linux PC.
My Linux laptop cost same that a Mac would have. I could have chosen a Mac but I knew already beforehand that I need a second hard drive with Linux so there just was no point to go with Mac. I had Mac before and it was a nice HW, there just was no use case for my work to use it and the hard drive upgrade would have been priced silly.

Abdul Muis

I hope the camera war on smartphone will be interesting!!


@Jim Glue:

"Tester, take a trip to your local'll see plenty of students with Macs."

No, not here. This is not America. Don't be fooled by the misleading picture that gets promoted by American movies and TV.


Finland may be different, but where I work the only people using Macs are those who develop for iOS. And the main product my employer makes is an iPad app! All the rest use either Windows, or in case of web developers, Linux. (That is, aside from two surplus Macs, that of course are still being used by web developers.)

Macs have one huge disadvantage, and that is, if you depend on some custom software for doing your business, chances are high that this software only exists for Windows, because it needs to run even on the cheap systems the regular workers use. In such a case you'll have a hard time justifying the expense because once this software requires a Mac, you are hopelessly dependent on Apple's hardware antics and nobody likes that.


Interesting study from CIRP (Consumer Intelligence Research Partners)

CIRP finding Android user more loyalty to android beating iOS



Um, wrong. Most of the Mac users I know aren’t long time Apple fans. They are new recruits.

Gotta love anecdotal evidence.

As to Windows, the big problem with Windows has always been a lack of software support. I can’t use Windows. The software I personally need isn’t available. It is on Linux, and MacOS (but not Android and IOS).

All the bitching and moaning about whether to program for IOS or Android ignores the elephant in the room. Usage. If an app isn’t going to be used on an OS, or the number of users is too small, why support it? That’s why there aren’t Windows versions of some of the stuff I rely on.



I can only tell how it is in the company I work for and some of our partners.
And there Mac is strictly restricted to developers, Linux is strictly restricted to web developers, and that's it. People use Macs because the software they need to run (i.e. XCode) only exists on that platform.

Most of the in-house software other employees use only exists for Windows. Don't forget that most of this is stuff that has nothing to do with software development but with offering a service to non-software business - and if you go there, it will be very hard to find non-Windows systems as personal computers.

You should also tell us a bit what you do, to make and judgement about software that only exists on Linux and MacOS.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Tester, Wayne:

I think you guys are looking at the elephant[1] from different angles, as are Jim and his comrades.

I have no doubt in some parts of the world, Linux is the better OS, and in some, MacOS or Windows 10 is.

Unfortunately for Mac, it's mostly a good option for colleges in the U.S. (which is only 4.28% of the world population) - In Europe, it's largely a Windows shop while in China, more often than not you would find a Yellow Dog Linux running on the computers.

So you all are correct in describing one aspect of the elephant, but none of us does look at the whole picture.




NDA, so no, I can’t tell you about it even though the base code is Apache liscensed. The Mac port I managed to do myself (it was basic C code). Then I added stuff to handle my own specific needs.

Yes, it could be ported to Windows, but...

The software in question is not something that would be a commercial success. I’m guessing that less than 500 people worldwide would need this, and I strongly suspect that 500 is a massive overstatement.



"I’m guessing that less than 500 people worldwide would need this,"

Just like I expected. So it's hardly representative for how the computing world looks as a whole. Yes, with specialty software you are inevitably limited in what platforms you can choose, that's hardly surprising. But in non-programming and non-scientific environments it is mainly Windows on which such software runs - that is unless you are particularly unlucky and have to deal with some real dinosaur software that also needs dinosaur hardware to run on.

Jim Glu

To further you thoughts, also depends on the target environment. If you are creating desktop "fat client" software, there's a 95% chance you are developing for windows....much smaller Mac desktop software base and minuscule Linux on the Desktop.

Sever side is completely different. Linux dominates server software these days, but Windows still has a healthy market. And when developing server side software, one is frequently able to use whatever desktop OS you want....though sometimes if you are developing Windows server apps you might require windows thick client development tools.

That's one of the reasons I love having a mac as my desktop. I can run Mac, Linux and Windows software with ease. I use virtual machines to run the Windows apps. Let's face it, there are no desktop Linux apps that I need worry about. They handful of excellent Linux desktop software also have windows versions and some Mac.

When I was a java developer a number of years ago, I ran linux natively on my laptop. All the tools I needed to use for that job (Eclipse and the like) all had decent linux versions.

Right now I have the slimmest of laptops, a MacBook. I love it because I travel a great deal and the small form with retina display is great. It can handle any client app....though most of what I do is remote into servers and work on them. I have a handful of various older windows computers and servers in my house. The windows software remains on them as do the linux virtual machines.

John Phamlore


Seven years ago, I gave you the real story about what was going on in the cell phone business. You can see it now on CNBC's front page. What the United States Federal Government has cared about, the *only* thing it has cared about is revealed to all to see, just like I told you 7 years ago.

It was all about Qualcomm. It was always all about Qualcomm as the lever to take from Europe and thus Nokia control over cellular modem chipset technology.

Think about it: Almost no one who voted for Trump knows about or cares about Qualcomm. Qualcomm has nothing to do with the mid-terms or Trump's re-election in 2020. And yet, and yet, someone with the real power told President Trump, and he listened, to order the blocking of any further progress on Qualcomm's being purchased by the company that has renamed itself Broadcomm, even with Broadcomm redomiciling itself as a US company, something President Trump himself announced and lauded at that time.

Don't you think you owe it to your subscribers to finally inform them about the real US cell phone tech story of the last decade?


@John Phamlore
"Don't you think you owe it to your subscribers to finally inform them about the real US cell phone tech story of the last decade?"

The last three decades showed how the USA missed the boat on mobile telephony. US policy has been unable to (re)gain control over mobile.

Qualcom is not different from Boeing, computers, the internet or any other key technology. The policy has always been "America First and Only". But Qualcomm does not control mobile, even though they control 66% of the baseband market (but that IS good for eavesdropping on everyone). The other industrial powers know better than to let that happen. Expect a Chinese push to grow their own industry.


In addition to AT&T and Verizon retreating from Huawei deal, Best Buy has now announced it will no longer sell Huawei phones in the US. Not even Nokia under Elop performed this bad in United States.

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