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February 27, 2018

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ElopDidNothingWrong

Elop was Nokia CEO for 2.5 years and dropped Nokia market value by $23 billion over that time.
Thanks to messing with US presidential election and handing out user data Facebook market value has dropped $58 billion, over twice what Elop...
...in five days.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

Facebook stocks has so far lost 13.1% of the stock value since the CA scandal. That is perhaps Elopian levels of a single blunder, but Facebook are already doing everything they can to backpedal on the issue. Elop did nothing, and therein lies the difference!

Jim Glue

Elop was brought onto a sinking ship. Nokia had already lost 75% of its market value prior to Elop. He certainly was no savior.

john

This is a very classic example of iSheep behavior! iWatch is so dead!

The scientific article “Passive Detection of Atrial Fibrillation Using a Commercially Available Smartwatch, March 2018",

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/article-abstract/2675364?redirect=truereported

reports failure regarding use of AI (artificial intelligence) but the media reports it as a grand success!


https://www.healio.com/cardiology/arrhythmia-disorders/news/online/%7B4848fbd5-d30e-4900-99f8-48af7b45596b%7D/deep-neural-network-detects-af-using-smartwatch-data

Jim Glu

I guess John was using sarcasm. It's exciting to see the growing health use cases of the Apple Watch, and in time, smartwatches in general.

Abdul Muis

Nokia 1 now available in India for INR 5499 (US$ 85).
The Xpress-on cover is INR 450

Reliance Jio customer will got a cash back of INR 2200 and also 60GB of data.

Abdul Muis

Huawei just launch a phone with 40MP sensor with a triple camera setup

The person who responsible for this apparently is from Nokia team.
https://fi.linkedin.com/in/mikkoterho

john

@abdul
As far as I know Huawei bought big chunks of Nokia's research departments in Finland.

E.Casais

@John

Correct. Huawei established a research centre in Helsinki in 2012 -- and has been gobbling quite a number of former Nokia R&D people since then.

@Abdul

Prior to that, Apple had hired former Nokia PureView designer and developer Ari Partinen to finally bring iPhone camera subsystem up to par with the competition.

I would not be surprised to see former Nokia talent involved in other areas for other firms and thus boosting their competences (RF technology comes to mind).

Such a seeding of companies with the specialized knowledge of world-class employees from a fallen top-level player has precedents. The demise of Digital Equipment Corporation saw top engineers moving to other companies, which experienced a subsequent boost in their technical competences and product offerings: Microsoft with Windows NT (architects were former DEC employees), Quantum with DLT magnetic tapes (technology and employees from DEC), etc.

Jaakko

So Huawei blatantly copied Apple Airport for idea, design and even partly for the naming?
Meet Huawei Freebuds - a way to show we can offer same as Apple but for cheaper price.

Jaakko

Airpod, not Airport. The Swype keyboard fails me again.

Abdul Muis

The Skype boycoot???

https://mspoweruser.com/another-ex-windows-phone-exec-weights-in-on-the-oss-failure-blames-oems-and-carriers/amp/

Another ex-Windows Phone exec weights in on the OS’s failure, blames OEMs and carriers

Now another Microsoft executive present during this key phase of Windows Phone’s development, Brandon Watson, has weighed in on Twitter regarding the failure of the OS.

Brandon Watson was a Senior Director for Windows Phone between March 2010 and February 2012, responsible for developer platform product management.

Responding to AdDuplex’s Alan Mendelevich, he denied that the app gap killed the OS. During Brandon’s reign, he famously managed to get 60,000 apps in the Windows Phone marketplace and appeared to have significant success in closing the app gap, getting many high profile apps on the platform, including famously Angry Birds.

Instead, Brandon blames the issue on carriers and OEMs

chithanh

@John Phamlore
The story about Broadcom and Qualcomm is interesting, but ultimately inconsequential for the mobile industry. If Broadcom had become owner of Qualcomm, so what?

On the other hand, for national security and defense (and I think Qualcomm is a major player here) things look vastly different.

@Abdul Muis
You posted this already two pages ago.

Microsoft obviously will never admit that they did all wrong and have nobody to blame but themselves for Windows Phone's failure.

Tester

Regarding the Skype boycott I still believe this is overrated.

If you have a good product people want, you will be able to sell it, even if the carriers resist. Case in point: The iPhone.

However, if you have a second grade product and stubbornly do not acknowledge and act upon user feedback, even the most costly advertising campaign won't save you.

And say what you want: Windows Phone 7 was just bad. It was a platform that was incompatible with everything so there was no chance to port software to it without some massive effort, and it came with a user interface that caused instant repulsion in most people. So it already had an uphill battle on three fronts:

- most users did not like it
- most developers did not like it
- many which liked it chose against it for the poor software support.

And yet, Windows Phone 8 looked the same, so the customer feedback went ignored. Ok, it was easier to develop for but it was already too late. It already was a failed platform before the Skype boycott happened - it already was a failed platform before Nokia nosedived into becoming a Microsoft slave. Surely the boycott helped accelerate WP's demise but it wasn't the cause of it.
The bottom line is, you simply cannot sell an inferior product against better and more agile competition.
I think on desktop Microsoft would have faced the same problem if Mac hardware offerings weren't so limited and Linux on desktop was actually some unified and reliable offering. The only reason why Microsoft still holds 90% of the market is because it is still the only desktop OS that isn't hardware-locked AND also offers a consistent environment to develop in. In short, Windows dominates not because it is so good, but because the competition is even worse. For Apple, it's again going for the money, not going for dominating the market - if macOS was sold as a separate product (with an open driver philosophy) they might have defeated Microsoft by now.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Tester:

I'd argue that the biggest reason we do not see more uptake with Linux is not that it is worse than Windows (because in many ways it already is a superior alternative), but that it does not offer any radical improvements over Windows - atleast not radical enough to warrant a switchover.

Not true for every instance - I know some non-techies that are perfectly happy with a Linux box to do all their browsing/office/email needs on - but it is for the absolute majority of people, sadly enough.

If Steam support continues for a little while more and enough gaming hurdles are overcome, however, I think 2022 could be the year of the Linux Gaming Desktop. Maybe. Hopefully. Atleast graphics drivers are finally starting to slowly shape up, but the entire systemd mess does not leave me very hopeful...

Seo Uzmanı

The competition will only get harsher in 2018 though. And bare in mind the upcoming Chinese mega brands that are gainng popularity.

İstanbul Seo Uzmanı

Does anybody here remember a company named Nokia? Remarkable how things turned upside down for them.

Tester

@PWE:

I'd argue that Linux's biggest problem is that there is no unified desktop. Many distributions have their own one and users can install whatever they like. It's impossible to efficiently write GUI software in such an environment.

I agree that Linux is perfectly fine for undemanding users that just want to run some stock software. It's also ok for techy people who do not mind investing time into getting their system to run. But once you step out of these zones stuff becomes messy.

"Linux" as an umbrella category for all the different distros will never ever succeed, it's far too fragmented for that. In order to gain market share some concerted effort behind *ONE* distribution is needed, so that Linux stops being such a hodgepodge affair and instead presents a unified front to the public. Without that it will remain where it is - i.e. with tech people or running some box that does not need to concern itself with installing other software.

Winter

"I'd argue that the biggest reason we do not see more uptake with Linux is not that it is worse than Windows (because in many ways it already is a superior alternative), but that it does not offer any radical improvements over Windows - atleast not radical enough to warrant a switchover."

If you look at the history in computers, then you see an all out domination of network effects: The first to gain a mass audience will win all. The only way to lose in this game if you are first is if you do not deliver for a mass market (Apple Macintosh) or if you let the technology outrun you (Blackberry, MySpace).

Microsoft was a master in destroying competitors that might outrun it in the market. They did so with all means, legal and illegal, paying around $1B a year in fines and settlements for illegal behavior. They also simply bought the technology needed to keep up with the rest of the world. Their main weapon is a total lock-in of the sales channel and the business market. Anyone who does not work exclusively with windows pays a surcharge on ever computer sold or bought. The perfect example is the appearance of the Linux netbooks years ago, when Windows could not deliver. The moment that they became popular, they disappeared from the shops. It took MS more than a year to get an XP version, and it was the only version on sale. But that XP version was in such a crippled state that the market collapsed until battery technology had caught up.

The reason that the Linux "market" is so fragmented is simply that there is no benefit in standardisation. Even a standardised distribution would not be able to enter the sales channels.

Outside of the desktop, Windows and Microsoft did not get a foothold. The internet, the Cloud, HP computing, phones, IoT, it all runs on *nix (mostly Linux).

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Tester:

From my standpoint, the "big unified desktop" is Gnome - Ubuntu, Debian, and Red hat/Fedora all use it as the default desktop, and I do not know how KDE fares today, but from what I can see most focus is on Gnome by the main distros. Gnome could easily become "the" desktop if more companies opted to standardise on it, but as it stands KDE et all are more to be considered as experimental than anything else.

There are two toolkits, GTK and QT. Choose either one, stick with it. Also choose one of the mainstream corporates - Red Hat or Ubuntu these days - and stick with that/those distros. If things break on distro X, Y and Z but work on your target distro(s), then it is someone elses problem.

Yeah, I know it is cold, but it is the harsh reality.

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