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November 01, 2017



I'm a little bit disappointed with Italy. It was a real Nokia-country and now very little support is visible from e.g. carrier side.


Oh great, another Android phone.
Not an N95/N950. No one big feature. No keyboard or stylus (like the Samsung tablet w/ case I'm typing on).
No alternate - Ovi reborn, alternative maps, security, privacy, etc.
Just Google's bitch like all the others.
Nokia might recover and become a profitable second or third tier maker.

I wish they had a Jolla phone. I wish they would have a phone where I could get rid of the Google crapware I don't want. I wish they had a secure phone like silent circle or others where I could use hard switches to turn off microphones, GPS, etc.

But as I said in my opening, "Just another Android phone".

GM and Ford started a big decline with "badge engineering". The Cadillac Cimarron was 2x the cost of the Chevrolet X car. It merely featured as standard Chevy options like power windows. But it wasn't different. The Taurus/Sable? Thunderbird/Cougar (except the rear window).

All the horrors of Android - no guarantee of faster security patches or something useful - but with a bunch of superficial additions. Badge engineering.

Per "wertigon" Ekström


I hear what you're saying, but looking at it from a realistic viewpoint, there just isn't room for a second mass market OS platform in the market (iOS is niche).

I agree Android is not the best of the bunch, personally I'd have liked to see Ubuntu succeed there. But it is what the market has chosen, and every year it becomes twice as hard as the year before to uproot Android.

Or, like this. You can bitch and moan all you want about AC current being the prevailing standard over DC current in your wall socket, but at the end of the day, you want that cheap energy that electricity provides, you can either start building your own DC power grid and convince both electrical manufacturers and end users to switch, or keep sticking with AC.

At this point it's next to impossible to run a DC power grid - better to run a converter for the few times you really need DC.

John A

I think so far this is a solid start for HMD Global. I expect to see a international version of the Nokia 7 who is launched in China in time.
And in early 2018 a Nokia 9 with some kind of Zeiss supercamera and bezeless design. A unit ready to take on iPhone X and the best Samsung got.

2018 will be interesting then Nokia will have a full portfolio of the devices from the very low end to expensive flagships. And the carrier support will probably have increased to.

But we will see how it goes.



Wrong. There is plenty of space for another OS, as long as it retains some compatibility with IOS and Android.

Your analogy of AC and DC current is flawed. There are solid engineering reasons for AC winning out.



Thanks for the update. The numbers do look good. Even better is that the numbers are high enough that the line should be profitable.

Antonio Lazo de la Vega

Hi Tomi, you can add Peru as a country where HMD has carrier support (just few days ago). In Peru, we have four carriers and two of them have started selling the new Nokia phones. Here is the list of carriers (including market share of 2017 first quarter):

- Movistar 43.03% (offers Nokia 3 -
- Claro 32.64%
- Entel 13.52% (offers Nokia 5 -
- Bitel 10.8%

Per "wertigon" Ekström


Sorry, but no. There are no place anymore for any other mainstream OS than Android in Mobile.

Look at the PC - that only has a single mainstream OS. Windows. There is MacOS and Linux boxes, but neither are mainstream there, and both are held floating on different merits.

Heck, Linux, even with plenty of Windows compatibility through wine, have yet to break through to mainstream.

As for my analogy of AC over DC, it works perfectly for showcasing the problems of switching your infrastructure. Another analogy that works is that of railroad tracks. Once the tracks are laid, it will be very costly and of little benefit to anyone to replace the rail to a more standardised version - even if those rails would allow you to buy your rail cars at half the price...

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi everybody

Canalys has graced us with a rare Top 5 list too for Q3. Same order of the brands and near identical numbers as IDC & SA. Canalys counted total market as 373.5 million units

Tomi Ahonen :-)

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