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November 03, 2017

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Tester

This common problem is why using apps to do supposedly secure things like banking is like playing with fire. How secure these apps are solely depends on the developer's awareness - and that often does not exist. Those in charge of security do not understand apps and those in charge of development do not understand security.

Even on mobile I only use the web browser to do banking - those things are more severely stress tested than any app can ever be.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Tester, it depends on the country.

In my country we have a common authentication app (BankID), and this app is hardened for security. This means all banking systems use this one app to authorization and authentication, which means the security part is already pretty much solved. Every transaction you do require your authorization with this app. It is pretty much a digital ID card.

Of course this does not protect against phishing, or the threat of violence ("Punch in your ID or I break your fingers!") but it is still reasonably safe.

E.Casais

@PWE

As the fiasco with ROCA has shown, one should be wary of stating that "the security part is already pretty much solved"...

Tester

I personally won't trust any code that isn't put up for public review when it comes to security.
App developers rarely come into contact with true security-minded programming so I'd never take the publisher's word for it.

Having one app to cover the entire system can both be a good and a bad thing. If the app is indeed secure, it'd be to everybody's benefit. On the other hand, if such an app is found to be vulerable it'd be the equivalent of a nuclear catastrophe.

Oh, one more thing: Security will never be solved. There will always be problems, so the most important thing is that such software gets regularly updated. I'd be very careful to use banking software that doesn't have a reliable update schedule.
Of course, with apps there's another problem: Even if a security update gets made, it cannot be made available in the app stores right away, because Apple and Google first want to make sure it follows their idiotic rules.

Winter

@Tester
"This common problem is why using apps to do supposedly secure things like banking is like playing with fire."

The idea is to lay the risks a the feet of those responsible for the security. I do not care about the security of a banking app, as long as the bank is the one that has to pay up when they get it wrong.

We are not the USA and have few problems with credit ratings, and do not use our CC much, so, if the bank makes an error, they will pay and we sit back.

Asko

Samsung is bringing some true innovation to the field:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2017/11/09/samsung-new-galaxy-smartphone-galaxy-a5-galaxy-s9/#6e224d5752c7

Per "wertigon" Ekström

https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-say-broke-face-id-security/

And as we all knew, it was inevitable

sve

Wechat has 55M messages/day versys SMS at 38B messages/day https://www.techinasia.com/wechat-users-send-38-billion-messages-day

Jim Glue

Hi Sve...

The story says WeChat has 38B messages per day verses WhatsApp's 55B messages. SMS wasn't mentioned.

3 years ago Apple reported they were at 40B iMessages per day and 15M facetime calls.

That 40B in 2014 is up from 2B reported in 2013.

I wonder how App based messaging in total is comparing to SMS these days

Jim Glue

Android Central reviews the iPhone: https://www.androidcentral.com/iphone-x

One of the best reviews I've seen from someone who prefers Android. Pay particular note to his opinion of the current state of apps for iOS vs. Android.

Phil W

Thanks Jim, read it. Good Review. Fairly unbiased I would say, noting the good and the not so good.

GoodTimes

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2017/11/six-out-of-the-top-ten-smartphones-in-the-us-were-iphones-in-q3-2017-with-the-iphone-7-crushing-samsungs-s8.html

Abdul Muis

https://pages.nokia.com/18259.threat.intelligence.report.lp.html
(put your name/email, click submit)

Nokia praises Google’s efforts with Google Play Protect and says that Play Store’s defenses are much better than they were two years ago. However, third-party app stores are less protected and are a common vector of infection. The biggest threat are trojanized apps – once that pose as popular apps (say, Netflix) but contain malicious code (those usually come from the other app stores).

According to Nokia, the Uapush adware is the most popular malicious app, the Jisun ransomware came in second and the Marcher banking trojan in third. The average infection rate was 0.68%.

iOS is under attack as well, mostly by Spyphone apps, though with basically no third-party app stores the infections were less common. Older versions of iOS have unpatched vulnerabilities, however.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@Jim:

Yes, the iPhone X is a nice phone.

No, it's not so nice I'd pay three to four times the money for what I currently own and am happy with.

Incidentally, if you ever need a good Android phone with long battery life, get the Lenovo P2, it's awesome. :)

Abdul Muis

@PWE

The Lenovo P2 with 5000mAH battery is great, but unfortunately, use 'old' CPU (28nm). Right now, my favorite is Asus Zenfone 3 Zoom. It has 5000mAH battery, but the CPU is build on newer 14nm, so it's battery life is super long.

GoodTimes

"Yes, the iPhone X is a nice phone.

No, it's not so nice I'd pay three to four times the money for what I currently own and am happy with."

No. It is even better...

"iPhone X versus Android's best: A surprisingly lopsided affair."

"Apple’s iPhone X destroys Android’s very best smartphones; makes Samsung Galaxy Note 8 seem obsolete"

"“The Galaxy Note 8 is an incredible phone. Back when I reviewed it for PCWorld I gave it the highest possible score and raved about its display, still the greatest I’ve seen in Android phone,” Michael Simon writes for Macworld. “The dual camera delivered impressive portraits and lush landscapes, and the battery powered through the busiest of days. In short, it was the best phone I had ever used and I thought it would be a long while before anything topped it.”
“I was wrong. Apple’s iPhone X not only beats the Note 8, it practically makes it seem obsolete,” Simon writes. “I’ve tested a wide array of Android handsets over the past 12 months, and I can confidently say that none are in the same league as Apple’s newest handset.”

“Quite frankly, it’s hard to even describe how much better iPhone X is without using it for a stretch of time, and most Android fans will never get that chance. That’s a shame. It wasn’t until I spent a day or two with iPhone X, going back and forth with the Note 8, Google Pixel 2 XL, and LG V30 that I could see just how much of a triumph it is,” Simon writes. “Even if you could somehow combine the Note 8, Pixel 2 XL, and V30 into a superphone mashup, iPhone X would still come out ahead. From the screen to the design to the camera and chip, iPhone X doesn’t just hold its own against Android’s cream of the crop, it raises the bar considerably for the 2018 models to come.”"

More here:
macworld.com/article/3237145/android/iphone-x-vs-androids-best.html

Robin Sparkles

"macworld.com/article/3237145/android/iphone-x-vs-androids-best.html"

Macworld? warning! iSheep detected.

E.Casais

"I can confidently say that none are in the same league as Apple’s newest handset."

It is true. The prices alone tell the story. In CHF:

Note 8
64 GB 919 - 999.85
128 GB 1039 - 1049
256 GB 1149

iPhone X
64 GB 1169
256 GB 1339

The lowest end iPhone X is more expensive than the highest end Note 8. Samsung top device is one full class below the iPhone X -- hence comparing them is interesting, but only teaches us as much as comparing the Note 8 to the Nokia 8, for instance.

Samsung and others may respond in 2018 by also entering the new super-premium device category, but I do not consider the flight to new heights of unaffordability to be a good sign for the industry.

Jim Glue

Hi GoodTimes...welcome to the forum.

I think Per has a great point. Price matters. I buy Sonatas as my family car...price is a huge reason. I can recognize that a Mercedes or BMW is a nicer car. It never enters my mind to buy one...even if I could.

You can find similar stories to the ones you posted that come to the opposite conclusion. People value different things, and optimize for value in different ways.

Most of my disagreements here have nothing to do with anyone else's preference for Android phones. It's that some folks seem unable to recognize that Apple's success is sustainable because there really does exist a sizable market of people ready, willing and able to pay more for nicer things. And just as I respect that some people value Android's strengths more....apparently some have difficulty accepting other people have a different set of what is important to them.

I absolutely love my Kindle Fire tablets. I've bought somewhere around ten of them...3 or 4 for myself and the rest as gifts. The price is right for a well defined set of "what I use the Kindle Fire tablets for". They haven't replace my love for my iPads...but I can't afford to give out iPads as gifts...nor can I buy a new iPad every year or every time there's an upgrade like I do with Kindle Fire tablets.

Same for Fire Tv Stick over an Apple Tv.

When there exists a truly "good enough" Android alternative at 1/10th the price...I too will buy it.

My daily driver phone is just too important of a tool to me and therefore I still pay the top dollar every few years for a new iPhone. If THIS year had been my schedule to get a new one...I probably would have gone for the 8+. The iPhone X is just that bit too much extra for me. Apple already got the extra $200 from me over a regular iPhone when they came out with large phone ($100 more) and made the memory upgrade to the next level a must have (another $100).

Now my Apple AirPods currently have no competition (in MY humble opinion for MY use cases)...and neither does my AppleWatch (other than just not having a smart watch)

Jim Glue

Hi E,

Where are you getting your prices?

In the US, it's
64gb $999
256gb $1150

At Bestbuy (a large national electronics retailer) the Note 8 is
64gb $949

I'm not sure the 256gb is sold in the US. Couldn't find it at Best Buy, Verizon or Amazon.

Now it is true that Samsung Flagships don't hold their retail price much past opening weekend.

But just comparing the retail price, they are in line.

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