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October 24, 2017


Jim Glue

First it was supposed to be by the end of October. That came and went.

Phil W

Well it was available for beta testers in October and the beta testing programme has ended for the 8. Not sure if it is there for the other handsets. One report does suggest that both HMD and Samsung will not release the official version until the new year. I'd rather it was delayed, than released in an unstable form, though.

Jim Glue

Congrats on HMD/Foxconn releasing the Oreo update for their flagship Nokia 8. Now on to the UNPRECEDENTED task of putting out a new Android version on a budget phone. As promised by HMD.


Nokia 6 and 5 next:


And it is Sony that leads in releasing Oreo updates. It has already updated 4 models:
- Xperia X Performance
- Xperia XZ Premiumin
- Xperia XZ
- Xperia XZs

And in addition to that Sony has launched two models that were shipped with Oreo to begin with (Hello HMD and Nokia 7), those are:
- Xperia XZ1
- Xperia XZ1 Compact

If HMD updates all five Nokia models they currently have TOMORROW, they're still one model short on what Sony already has done.

Phil W

So? It's not a race. It's just important it's done in a timely manner.

Phil W

I guess what I meant to say was that it's good that Sony have done this, well done to them, but it doesn't matter that they beat HMD to it. What does matter is that HMD are seen to be living up to their own promises and they seem to be doing just that at the moment.

Jim Glue

yes....the track record is piss poor across the Android manufacturers. Let's not forget that in addition to Sony...the carriers have do their own updates to the Android code unless you are using an unlocked phone.

Let's hope that the following three years it's going to take for Android Oreo to become the standard commercial Android....will be the last that this is a big issue.

With Android 8, should be better



Updating the phone OS does not correlate with the worldwide smartphone market share (e.g. Samsung is number one and it is not that good at updating Android on its phone whilst Apple is number 2 and falling but does a pretty good job at updating its iOS). Therefore it is safe to assume that it is a non-issue for the most of the smartphone buyers/owners. It is just a market strategy based on creating needs thru fear and Apple loves to use it.

Phil W

It's only important if you want to use the latest features added in the update. Some people will be very keen, others won't give a toss.

It's much more important to rolling out the security updates as soon as possible. Android OEMs haven't been good at this in the past. HMD have been excellent at this (personal experience) and there are encouraging signs that the other OEMs are beginning to take this seriously as well.

Gulfam Ahmed

The software is an important part, and we think the Nokia 5.1 wins here. This is because the Nokia 5.1 is an Android One phone
and comes with stock Android 8.1 Oreo. The Vivo Y81 also runs Android 8.1 Oreo, but comes with the FunTouch OS UI. Same is the story with the Honor 9 Lite, which runs Android 8.0 Oreo with EMUI on top.

The software is an important part, and we think the Nokia 5.1 wins here. This is because the Nokia 5.1 is an Android One phone and comes with stock Android 8.1 Oreo. The Vivo Y81 also runs Android 8.1 Oreo, but comes with the FunTouch OS UI. Same is the story with the Honor 9 Lite, which runs Android 8.0 Oreo with EMUI on top.

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