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October 24, 2017

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Tomi T Ahonen

To all

Comments already coming. Via Twitter I received comment from follower @Digitreo who said A1 in Austria is offering Nokia 5. I will collect these and add to the list.

As before, readers, if you have any more to add, please do.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Elo Petersen

They are also sold in Denmark. Most phones here are not sold by carriers as far as I know but they are sold by at least Telenor and Yousee.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Elo!

Thank you, I'll add Denmark :-)

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Chris Vail

Although Amazon is the only source to buy Nokia smartphones (unlocked) in the US, two carriers offer service: T Mobile and AT&T. I think this is a technology limitation.

John A

The new Nokia 7 are avaible in two online retailers in China JD.com and also Suning.
In USA we can add B&H Photo who will sell Nokia 6. Also BestBuy that will sell the Nokia 3310 (3G version)

Phil W

The Nokia 5 is on Orange in France and the Nokia 8 and 3310 3G are marked as coming soon.

Phil W

Also in France Bouygues telecom is offering the Nokia 3, 6 and 8 as well as the 3310 and SFR is supporting the Nika 3 and the 3310.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Chris, John & Phil

Thank you to you all!

Hey Chris, on the US availability. Is it so that if you buy a phone say via Amazon then they will connect you, but T Mo and AT&T won't actually sell the devices ie show them at their stores or websites? Or is it that one or both T Mobile & AT&T will also sell a device but just not bother to market them?

John, thanks!

Phil, thanks! I'll add France to countries with carrier support. We're now up to 33 already with Denmark & Austria to add.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Winter

@Piot
"So Tomi this really begs the question...."

Maybe, just maybe, Tomi is more interested in the fate of Nokia than of iPhones? And it is not unthinkable, that his interest in the fate of Nokia is shared by other people who read this blog?

Romania

You missed at least two big carriers in Romania:
https://www.orange.ro/magazin-online/telefoane?order=ASC&sort=TopSales&from=0&size=12&q=nokia&filter=Cuabonament1,Android
https://www.telekom.ro/search/?q=nokia&q_facetTrail=13116%253Acat620045%253A17118%253AAndroid

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Romania

THANKS !! I will add them and credit you.

(I love this, how our readers are contributing better info from their home countries)

Tomi Ahonen :-)

E.Casais

"So why compare New Nokia to ten year old iPhone data?"

Because there are few successful (re)-launches of mobile brands with a goal towards world-wide market presence. Jolla, Essential and Pixel are irrelevant -- they did not market their products that widely, and their market shares are literally minuscule.

You have a point that a comparison with more recent attempts to take over the world (figuratively) by new challengers would be appropriate. Here, only Chinese manufacturers come into play, such as Huawei, ZTE, Tinno. But those firms proceeded by first establishing a firm presence in China (a home market with some level of protection against the competition) before moving on to other countries. HMD is, like Apple once, trying to address a nearly-universal market at once.

Hence, the introduction of the iPhones is the only available case that is approximately analogous (with all due adjustments for market dimension and structure of the competition) to what HMD is trying to do.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Everybody

Lotsa new info coming in now via Twitter. I have South Africa now confirmed all 3 carriers have it, so moved SA from no support to full support. Pakistan has TV ads. Ireland has 1 carrier.

Am adding and updating to the big listing. My latest count was 28 of 33 countries have at least 1 carrier, 7 of 33 have all local carriers supporting Nokia (now on 2 continents, Europe & Africa) and only 5 of 33 countries with no support. My carrier count was up to 56 but adding now again more..

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

To all

I am preparing a VERY rough first estimate of the reach of Nokia HMD smartphones weighted by smartphone market size, and national carrier footprints. BUT not attempting to do national carriers by size, just the rough number, is it all carriers, some carriers, one carrier or no carriers.

The first stab at the number says HMD current is (this is very very rough) globally avail at carriers who cover 24% of the smartphone market. Best markets are East Europe and West Europe; worst markets with no carrier support are China and North America.

I hope to get more data coming in and then will do a breakdown calculation. There is no regional view to HMD's launches (yet) and this seems to be the first and only site that has any such info. I will be doing more for you on these numbers but I hope to get some data in still, especially out of Latin America where we only have the one Mexico data point.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Chris Vail

I don't think T Mobile or AT&T sell Nokia smartphones. I went into a T Mobile store when I got my Nokia 6 because the sim card in my old Galaxy smartphone did not fit the Nokia slot. The clerk in the T Mobile store trimmed the sim card and it worked in my Nokia (otherwise, I'd have had to get another sim, which T Mobile had).

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Chris

THANKS !!! That is what I thought... hopefully some day (read: month) soon one of the US carriers also decides to try a Nokia smartphone haha..

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi all Nokia lovers...

Interesting milestone for HMD. In its return efforts, the country-support of Nokia Android smartphones is already now larger than what Elop allowed for the ill-fated Nokia N9 running on MeeGo. If you remember, Elop the idiot limited the availability of the N9 to only 29 countries that were mostly tiny and obscure countries from Kazakhstan to New Zealand. Even Hong Kong with 7 million people was 'too big' for Elop to let the N9 be sold, so that its market success could be minimized as much as possible, to not be compared to the far-inferior Lumia series on Windows that Elop preferred.

So hooray. 'Real' Nokia on a platform 'beyond Symbian' has already now been accepted to more countries than the best that Elop allowed N9 and MeeGo to ever get to...

An interesting milestone of note. We have already 31 countries in the list (and growing).

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

To all

I dug around the various Latin American carrier websites with my non-existent Spanish and Portuguese (=Brazil) language skills and it does seem like there is no Nokia handset support in LatAm (yet) apart from Mexico. I asked my Twitter followers and got a few retweets of the request but nobody responded with any observations, while in Europe, Asia, Africa and Middle East, there were immediate responses.

So it looks like currently HMD hasn't yet gotten the Southern American continent (and Central America) onto their launch plan.

Am continuing the digging and asking Twitter followers for more info.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Everybody

Count is now 62 carriers in 32 (out of 40 sampled) countries with at least some HMD Nokia smartphone support (at least a carrier is selling Nokia) with 8 of 40 countries finding no support so far. In 8 countries all carriers support Nokia already. In a few countries the advertising is so serious that there are TV ads on the air with Nokia smartphones.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Elo Petersen

Denmark: 3 is also selling Nokia. The only major carrier not selling Nokia is Telia.So, the carriers selling Nokia cover close to 90% of the Danish market. Apart from this it's important to note that most phones in Denmark are NOT sold on carrier contracts. Thus, all major electronic shops, both on and off-line also sell Nokia smartphones. I have not seen any news about sales but it's not just one Nokia model to test the waters - most have all models for sale as far as I can see.

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