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September 13, 2017

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Olivier Barthelemy

The X is for GalaXy, this iPhone is mostly a Galaxy-ization of the iPhone: AMOLED, small bezels, wireless charging, face unlock... if only it had an SD slot ^^

It's nice, but not $1K nice, unless the VR stuff takes off in less than a year, which I doubt (I actually doubt VR will ever take off, especially on consumer phones).
Disregarding VR, it's very similar to an Android flagship, about at about 2x the price, visually and features-wise. Ther performance is better, but apart from VR what can use that kind of oomph ?

I think the main issue is that it makes the other iPhones look terribly dated. Will consumers still pay a premium for the old-style iPhones when even Apple tells them they're passé ?

Asko

@Tomi
"the old adage holds true - to see what Apple will do next on its flagship, just look at an old Nokia flagship."

You forgot all the other iHype:
AR - 2011 in Lumia 800 and Nokia maps
Animated smileys - 2012 in Lumia 920
Face recognition to unlock - 2014 in Lumia 950

chithanh

A day before the Apple event, Qualcomm reminded us in a blog post how innovation comes to Android first. Seems they got tipped off that the iPhone X does not include any noteworthy new features over Android phones.

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2017/09/11/android-firsts-brought-you-qualcomm

They are also not afraid to rub in Gigabit LTE now that Apple is stuck with inferior Intel LTE modems.

Though if I were Qualcomm, I'd probably not shout too loud about it, lest people notice that 64 bit is conspicuously absent from the list, because Qualcomm slept through that one.

https://blog.hubspot.com/opinion/qualcomm-apple-64-bit-chip-hit-us-in-gut

James Glu

Sales are going to be fantastic. The latest Qualcomm chips powering the latest Android flagships aren't even performing as well as last year's iPhone and Apple just upped the ante 70% more with the A11.

A11 has built in neural network which powers the FaceID and photos. Nobody has even bothered to criticize Samsung for putting out a Face biometric that can be unlocked with a photo. We expect Samsung to put out crap and Android isn't secure anyway,

Portrait lighting looks nice. Certainly better than the laughable Bothie from "Nokia"

Apple has their own graphics chip now and their own ISP chip. AR on Android doesn't have a chance to be as good.

Interesting that Apple lowered the price of the iPhone SE to $349 and is keeping the 6s and 7 in the line up.

Not just OLED, but HDR, wide color gamut and color calibrated accurate colors for the screen.

I'm glad Apple didn't follow Samsung's tall and skinny method for the screen.

Wireless charging check mark formthose that care. I still don't.

Will wait and see about how durable the glass back is. I put my iPhones in cases anyway.

The iPhones will sell well....because they are iPhones. I got a new one last year so I'm not buying this year. There are lot of iPhone 6 and 6s upgrades coming. It is not a question of "what has Apple done to win the buyers over". It's the competition that has nothing to entice people who like what iPhones are.

I'm disappointed Apple didn't keep the Apple Watch 2 in its lineup with a cheaper price.

RickO

While no body was watching - BBK Electronics (parent to - Oppo,Vivo,Oneplus,Imoo etc) collectively is outselling everyone (in the last few quarters) except Samsung, albeit for their meager $200m+ profit. They are not fighting in the lucrative and very profitable top 8% of the market that Sammy and iPhone own and not seemingly interested in the US market. Yes - Huawei is getting there slowly but will Nokia put a dent in everyone's sales. Interesting times ahead.

john F.

Note 8. Some of the biometrics, including the ability to unlock your phone by scanning your face or irises, are so poorly executed that they feel like marketing gimmicks as opposed to actual security features.

The iris scanner shines infrared light in your eyes to identify you and unlock the phone. That sounds futuristic, but when you set up the feature, it is laden with disclaimers from Samsung. The caveats include: Iris scanning might not work well if you are wearing glasses or contact lenses; it might not work in direct sunlight; it might not work if there is dirt on the sensor.

I don’t wear glasses or contact lenses and could only get the iris scanner to scan my eyes properly one out of five times I tried it.

Shipping features like this is what separates Apple from Samsung and the others, everyone can ship a face recognition that works mediocrely, it's bot being first, it's being great what matters.*

Remember, nothing Apples does will ever be good enough

3rd Generation Apple watch and what happened with iFloop?
*extracts from around the net

john F.

@Tomi

A few years ago you published an article called iFlop, immediately after the Apple Watch was announced, I told you back then that you should understand the watch industry to understand the strategy behind it and mentioned that the size of the market of the above 500 US$ watch is small, you got it wrong Tomi.

Now, you say "I still hold that there is no big market for smart watches "

You will be proven wrong again, you still don't understand this industry ( I work for a consultancy company and "watch" and wearables is one of our focuses)

The wearables division is doing great Tomi, before you know it it, if it would be an independent company, it will make it to fortune 500. The numbers can be "guessed"

Can you prove, facts in hand, that they are EMBARRASSINGLY bad? It's a strong claim or you are just guessing?

E.Casais

"Interesting that Apple lowered the price of the iPhone SE to $349 and is keeping the 6s and 7 in the line up."

It is not interesting, it is typical of Apple's past strategy regarding the iPhone lineup. Nothing new/disruptive/imaginative there.

Actually, the iPhone 8/8+ are also very much in line with Apple's traditional approach: one year, major new features are introduced (this happened with the 7/7+); the other year, features are improved (this is what happens in 2017 with the 8/8+).

There is thus nothing out of character regarding that specific offering. Apple has been exactly following its product strategy.

The iPhone X on the other hand feels odd. I agree with Olivier Barthelemy: this is the first time ever that I feel like Apple is copying Samsung and not the reverse. Not just in the catching-up regarding features (face-recognition, wireless charging, bezel-less display...), but also in its market positioning. I feel the same about it as about many of the Galaxies S/edge and Notes (and high-end Huawei and the like): sure, some of their features are technically better, but how could this justify the price differential with even a 25% cheaper product in the lineup?

It is also the first time (if I remember correctly), that an iPhone model will only go on-sale 5 weeks after it is launched, and become finally available almost 2 months after its announcement. This again feels more like a Samsung-like approach and a bit out of character for Apple.

Time will tell how successful the new products are -- and how right or wrong Tomi is in his predictions.

b

iPhone X is a very lame. It looks too much like Galaxy. If one wants a Galaxy phone will buy a Galaxy and not an iPhone. iPhone X looks like and iCook idea.

@JohnF.


> You will be proven wrong again, you still don't understand this industry ( I work for a consultancy company and "watch" and wearables is one of our focuses)
> The wearables division is doing great Tomi, before you know it it, if it would be an independent company, it will make it to fortune 500. The numbers can be "guessed"

JohnF, you are the one who got it wrong! iWatch is compared always and should always be compared with other businesses from Apple. This is the expectation which iSheep and market analysts have. Everybody expects that Apple will always come with products which are in iPhone class of profit and selling numbers. It is already a failure when starting to compare iWatch with other watch makers which do not do mobile phones. So, iWatch is a big iFlop and iWatch 3 is the last version to be ever made by Apple.

Regarding wearable, they do not have a very long future in my opinion because those cheap (cheap when compared to serious medical devices) wearables meant for non-medical use are just for fun. No medical doctor will ever trust and use for medical purposes the blood pressure, pulse, blood sugar, heart beats counts, steps taken, calories burned, etc. from such wearables. Also if one comes with a a wearable which can be used by medical doctors than suddenly one needs FDA approval (and have fun obtaining an FDA approval => see 23andme & FDA) Just enjoy the wearable fad it while it lasts.

Per "wertigon" Ekström

@John:

Why isn't Apple releasing the watch sales numbers, if sales were great?

What is in it for Apple to *not* boast how great the watch is doing?

I can't see a single good reason for that. Can you?

E.Casais

"iWatch is compared always and should always be compared with other businesses from Apple."

Incorrect. Comparisons with other watchmakers abound.

Actually, in this very blog, commentators have repeatedly compared Apple Watch to Rolex, gushing about how Apple managed to achieve a comparable level of revenue.

Except that Rolex watches are in the luxury segment, _precisely_ the one in which Apple had to beat a hasty retreat after the failure of its precious metal bands and "personal demo on appointment in Apple shops" approach.

If the watch division of Apple is to be compared, then it is with Citizen or Swatch Group -- not Rolex.

By the way: the same commentators who continue to compare improperly Apple Watch with Rolex are up in arms when comparing iPhones with Chinese manufacturers, because "they are not in the same market".

Consistency of argumentation is not exactly widespread.

This being said, in absolute terms, Apple Watch is a very nice business. But it is not the one that can sustain Apple in a perspective of a successive replacement of product lines entering maturity and decline (iPad, perhaps iPhone soon) by new ones.

LongAAPL1997

"We know from that, that the true Apple Watch numbers are EMBARRASSINGLY bad."

Yes so bad that Apple now has the biggest selling watch in the world and is now bigger than Rolex that used to be the biggest watch manufacturer in the world. Apple sells Watches more than any effing Android OEM or them compined and the revenue is more than 5 Billion dollars crashing EVERY OTHER manufacturer. That really is huge "failure" /s >:(. Apple Watch Series 3 with wireless will sell huge amounts. I am getting one and my friends are all exited about it. Yes that is annectodal, but I am hearing this all over. This is huge. (I am going to get the Nike one.)

"The X is for GalaXy"

Fuck! No it does not >:( Apple has used X since 2001 (OS X) and it stands for "10" "ten". It celebrates the Apple iPhones tenth anniversary.

"Why isn't Apple releasing the watch sales numbers, if sales were great?"

Competetive reasons and why isn´t the others releasing theirs? Nobody tells how many watches they sell. Apple won´t either, but we can see the revenue and we can calculate it from there.

Apple just showed their power by introducing the Apple A11 Bionic processor compìned with M-series processor. This sends everybody else back to the drawing board for years. A-. S-, T- and W-series prosessors and their own ISP´s are something that keeps the competition always behind the Apple. (Can´t wait when the Apple replaceses the Intel with their own chips.)

Apple has the strongest product line in their hands and later this year there will be Homepods plus the Pro Macs (iMac Pro and Mac Pro). 2018 will be huge in sales. You might want to revisit you numbers now.

Apple also btw covers all the price points now.
Apple Watch is between $249 and $1299
Apple iPhone is between $349 and $1149
Apple iPad is between $329 and $1279
Apple Mac is between $499 and $7128

So now even in the Indian people can buy one especially when the Siri and the OS´s understands the local languages.

LongAAPL1997

"Why isn't Apple releasing the watch sales numbers, if sales were great?

What is in it for Apple to *not* boast how great the watch is doing?

I can't see a single good reason for that. Can you?"

Go and ask Samsung why they aren´t releasing their numbers. Apple won´t give the number for the competetive reasons and Samsung is just embarassed.

LongAAPL1997

"A day before the Apple event, Qualcomm reminded us in a blog post how innovation comes to Android first."

Yes and they got the AR part totally wrong. iPhone 4S was the first to have 3-axis gyroscope that is needed to make any kind of AR or VR so that belongs to Apple. Quallcomm was trashed with the Apple A11 Bionic processor.

b

@LongAAPL1997

> iPhone 4S was the first to have 3-axis gyroscope

Again this is bullshit!

Samsung SCH-S310, released in 2005 was the first phone with 3-axis gyroscope!

E.Casais

"Apple now has the biggest selling watch in the world and is now bigger than Rolex"

Improper comparison. Rolex watches, new, range from EUR 1500 to 400000. Apple Watch just does not play in that luxury category.

Appraise Apple Watch against Swatch Group or Timex Group for a somewhat more correct perspective.

Olivier Barthelemy

I LOL'ed at

"Apple also btw covers all the price points now.
Apple Watch is between $249 and $1299
Apple iPhone is between $349 and $1149
Apple iPad is between $329 and $1279
Apple Mac is between $499 and $7128"

There are excellent phones below $200, usable ones at $100. Starting at $349 is "all price points" only for someone terminally in the iBubble. Ditto tablets, the Fire HD 8 is $75, the excellent Teclast T10 is $200; Win10 PCs start at $100 (and start feeling nice at $250... but sometimes you need qomething, anything, even if its not nice).

And then there's the question of what you get for those iPrices. iOS and Apple flair might make it worth the price to some, but the performance and features certainly aren't up to par with similarly-priced Android phones. $350 would be last year's flagships: GS7, LG G5, .. camera, storage, performance, screen, sound on those are just not comparable to the iPSE. The same can be said for desktops, laptops... only iPad Pros are w/o equivalent beyond OS and looks; maybe Surface et al but apps are missing; the cheap iPad is debatable (quasi 2x the price of the T10 ???)

LongApple

"AR - 2011 in Lumia 800"

Nope. iPhone 4S was the first. Lumia 800 did not have gyroscope. Lumia got one year after iPhone as did some other phones too.

b

@LongApple

> Nope. iPhone 4S was the first. Lumia 800 did not have gyroscope. Lumia got one year after iPhone as did some other phones too.

Again you are repeating this bullshit!

Samsung SCH-S310, released in 2005, was the first phone with 3-axis gyroscope! iPhone 4s was released six years later in 2011!

LongApple

Oh BTW Apple is now competing against the Playstation, Xbox and Nintendon with the Apple TV 4K. So this will be interesting.

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