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August 14, 2017

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Huber

@LongApple: "The problem is that all those things are not in one phone. They are in the different phones from different companies."

This is because you hardly can cram all Android features into a single phone. Sony has an additional slow motion camera, LG has an additional wide angle camera, other phones focus on the selfie camera etcetc.

This is called CHOICE.

Jim Glue

I agree with you Huber. There is vastly more choice in the Android ecosystem. Then again, the iPhone is just one more choice. Where I think Long has a point is the tendency of folks to discuss the advantages of Android AS IF there was a single phone that had all those features and thus is "vastly superior" to an iPhone.

Just depends on what you PERSONALLY like most. For me, the complete package that is the iPhone, with it's related family of products and ecosystem...that's my choice for my main phone. I have a set of Android phones and tablets as well.

When I use my Android devices I am gobsmacked that Android does not have an iCloud like complete phone backup service. Yes, your individual cloud based apps have their data in the cloud and thankfully photos as well. But that's not the same as having your device backed up.

BTW, I also use many of Google, Amazon, Facebook and Microsoft services on my iPhone.

I like having Apple Stores...that I can get support from. It is a MUST for me to have OS updates and security patches direct from Apple. That remains a huge reason why I never spend "iPhone money" on an Android phone. Not even Google Nexus/Pixel products are kept updated for as long as an iPhone.

But - there are things that I WISH I had. I wish I could add a memory card to the iPhone. I wish there were $100 iPhones I could buy as backups. I wish I could choose a thicker phone with longer battery life. I'd like to be able to change the default apps for mail or browser etc. I'd like the ability to get apps from somewhere other than the App store, to have the choice to accept the security risk.

What binds me to the iPhone is not a single speck or feature, though. I can't imagine what an Android phone would have to be to make me switch. I'd have to be broke and at the same time break my iPhone such that I couldn't afford an iPhone in order for ME to go with Android.

I recently switched jobs and am back to a Windows PC for work. I like windows just fine. I really miss the integration my Macs have with my Apple products. What some people call "lock in", I call "joy in". I enjoy how Apple products work with each other. My Apple watch unlocks my Mac. I can use iMessage from the Mac. etc. etc.

deadonthefloor

Windows phone is dead, but the cellular PC is on the horizon.
With flavours running Intel and ARM, it looks to be an interesting new form factor.
That's where I'll be spending my dollars. I will never own a G or A phone.

Wayneborean


Slightly off-topic, but Apple TV has expanded...

Kind of. Apple is moving into the streaming video market with $1 Billion clams to buy shows.

If you have a good story idea, strike while the iron is hot.

LongApple

"This seems to be an exceptionally quiet summer for tech. I don't remember this quiet a summer in mobile/tech news in 20 years."

iOS side of the summer is very, very busy. There is so much happening that there is podcasters who "complaint" about it. They tought that the summer will be slow. Now the iOS 11, ARKit and everything else is keeping them so busy that they have to work during their holidays.

"This is because you hardly can cram all Android features into a single phone. Sony has an additional slow motion camera, LG has an additional wide angle camera, other phones focus on the selfie camera etcetc."

Check, check and check. iPhone is fantastic slomo camera, it has (7+) additional wide angle camera and the facetime/selfie camera is very good.

About the choice thing. Long time ago when I was still using Nokia phone I was really, really frustrated because Nokia had ridiculous amount of products and product liens and you simply could not have all the goodies in one basket. If you wanted this then you have to leave that out, but then that series had this fantastic thingy, but it had those two things out. You had lot of "choice" and NOTHING actually to choose from because none sadisfied my needs. Apple has solved that problem. The best iPhone has everything and you do not need to sacrify anything. That is called easiness of purchase. No need to waiste time going through thousands of options. The only real problem is to choose the colour. Black or white bezel... golden, silver... that is the only horrible thing that you have to decide. Then again you can buy two like with the Apple Watch.

Winter

@Jim Glue
"I can't imagine what an Android phone would have to be to make me switch."

An Apple Logo?

@LongApple
"The best iPhone has everything and you do not need to sacrify anything."

Sit down, take a few deep breaths. Maybe a cold shower will help?

Perttu

So... Nokia 8 - the flagship of the "new Nokia" was launched and everyone here talks about iPhone?
The world has truly changed.

Jim Glue

Hi Winter - I hear you. I like Apple products therefore it might appear that I like them BECAUSE they are from Apple. Not so. I buy what I find most useful at the best price. While iPhone's are expensive, so is every Android phone that has the same quality of camera, and I care about the camera. And again, the iPhone is part of a comprehensive ecosystem who's synergies I find valuable.

However, I buy Amazon Fire tablets and FireTv sticks because they cost a LOT less and do a few very specific things more than good enough. I still love my iPad a lot better, but it is a lot more expensive. So when I buy tablets as gifts, it's not iPads.

I am in the market right now for a PC for running virtual machines for Hadoop cluster training and development. Am I looking at Mac's? No. Way way way too much extra money for no extra value FOR THE USE that I have in mind. Right now I'm trying to make do with what I have and with a purchase or two of used equipment. The build I really want to have is going to run me in the $2k area and for an equivalent Mac it would be more like $5k. FOR THIS USE CASE.

One of my college age kids needed a new computer. They got a $115 used Windows laptop. It's more than good enough for what they need it to be. I was just unemployed for a few months so there is no "Mac money" to be had.

All my kids (all young adults) have been told there will be no more "iPhone Christmases". They better make their now two year old iPhones last, buy their own new phone, or buy a cheap Android phone. One of them already has a cheap Android phone for that reason. There will likely be three iPhone to Android switchers in my family soon as my adult children are NOT in the middle class. They are poor -- for now.

I'm just glad I'm not in need of a new "main laptop" for myself at the moment. If I had too, it would be a Windows laptop.

Sure, when I have the money and am in the market for something that Apple sells...I most always will go with the Apple option because I really like the way Apple thinks about products, the quality they put in, the support that's there, how the products work together and the wide and healthy third party ecosystem.

Lullz

@Perttu

"So... Nokia 8 - the flagship of the "new Nokia" was launched and everyone here talks about iPhone?"

It has been like that for almost 10 years. Almost every single phone launched during this decade has been compared to iPhone. The iPhone is the industry standard for comparing different phones.

@Winter

On iPhone almost everything is good and there is rarely a risk of sacrificing any features. There are of course some occasions where that happens but stuff like 3.5mm connector do not happen that often. With Android you really need to study the alternatives and spend lots of time there if you want to make sure something important is not missing. With iPhone everything important missing is easy to see. The missing features are all over internet and super easy to find. That's because almost every phone is compared to iPhone.

Wayneborean


There's been some reviews of the Nokia 6 on Amazon. Overall people seem pretty satisfied with it.

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B072MFT1VK/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_cmps_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

Jim Glue

Hi Lulz - I assumed Tomi would be writing a post on the new flagship Nokia so I've been holding off.

But here goes first thoughts: Price. Price will be everything.

Bothfie? lol! That's a sad Look at What the New Nokia Can Innovate headline feature.

Still, Looks to be a decent phone depending on how they price it. I'm particularly interested in HMD's ability to keep the OS updated. I like their "stock Android" approach.

Abdul Muis

I only wish New Nokia has a bigger screen & bigger battery.

Summer

@Wayneborean
And Lumia 900 had 5-star reviews in Amazon as well. Let's see sales data when it's in.

Jim Glue

More thoughts on the Nokia 8. This is their flagship, no excuses phone. Still haven't heard price which will determine my ultimate favorablility.

Best feature: stock Android with promises of rapid updates to Google's latest. If true, that would put this phone at the top of my "if I wasn't buying an iPhone..." list.

Top of the line Qualcomm chip - rates a "check" on the check list as all flagship phones will have this chip so it doesn't offer a real advantage (depending on how they price).

13mp camera? What? Why...the real Nokia had 40mp years ago...blah blah blah megapixels. Looking forward to seeing quality reviews (most aren't) of the camera. 13mp on the front camera is over kill. I don't WANT to see my pores.

Bothie feature - an embarrassing gimmick unworthy of the Nokia name.

Sealed battery. What? How can anyone buy a phone without the ability to change batteries? Doom doom doom

360deg sound? What for? Oh well, I'm sure some folks might want that but I don't have a surround setup to playback such audio. Again, it's "innovation" but I'm not interested. (FWIW, I'm not interested in Apple's "touch bar" on their new Macs).

Bezels? OMG, a flagship with unapologetic "normal" sized bezels. This feature is on my "I don't care that much about it, but sure, it's nice" list. Larger screen in a smaller form factor is a good thing. Of course, Sammy did it by changing the aspect ratio making an extra tall phone. Don't like that (but it is a beautiful phone). Anyhoo....I couldn't care less that HMD's first flagship phone is behind the curve on this year's "must have" flagship feature.

Not water resistant. Big missing feature there. That was one of those "my iPhone doesn't offer this, Android does, and it would be a really good thing to have" features for me. My Apple Watch and my iPhone 7+ are water resistant and as I walked to work in the rain today -- that's a good thing. I will consider this a "nock" on the Nokia 8 being a true premium phone in 2017.

Maxes out at 64gig ram? Surprising for a flagship phone. Memory expansion does not make up for lack of basic internal memory. I consider this a nock as well and no good reason for it other than to cut price. So again, depends on what Nokia is going to ask for this phone. No way they can justify iPhone/Galaxy S8 prices.

Dual cameras? A must on a flagship. However, Nokia went with the 1 color, one monochrome method instead of using the second camera as a longer lens. It's "fake bokeh" isn't nearly as good as the iPhone, but that's a software thing they can improve over time. You can't get past the reality that a wide lens is a terrible choice for people portraiture. Will wait for the full reviews to come out. I expect it's a camera "in about the same range" as other flagships. Better in some things, worse in others. It does NOT appear to be a "Nokia is Back Leading the Pack" camera system, not even close.

Well, that's it. Looks like a solid phone and only the pricing will determine if it's worthy of flagship status. If this is a $450 phone, then yes. It's it's a $650 phone, absolutely not.

Huber

"Check, check and check. iPhone is fantastic slomo camera, it has (7+) additional wide angle camera and the facetime/selfie camera is very good."

The Sony Xperia XZ Premium has 960FPS slow motion. There is no way in hell the iPhone can compete with this. Also, it hardly has the best-in-class selfie camera.

But be it as it may, the resident Apple-lunatics behave as always, pretending Apple is the best in every single feature and has no downside at all. Ridiculuous. I never ever have seen a single product without a downside. My Apple-using friends complain a lot, unlike 5 years ago. But they are Apple customers, not iSheep, which probably makes the difference.

Huber

"AS IF there was a single phone that had all those features and thus is "vastly superior" to an iPhone.

Just depends on what you PERSONALLY like most"

I completely agree. For me, any phone with unlockable bootloader and good developer support is vastly superior to iPhones. But most people don't care about such things, their mileage may vary.

To each its own, I just cannot stand fanatics.

Tester

@Huber:

" My Apple-using friends complain a lot, unlike 5 years ago."

Same here. And tell me what you want, this is not a good sign for Apple. Sure, the iSheep will accept this as an inevitability, but what if the rest of the user base eventually decides that if there's too much to complain they may just buy something cheaper instead...

Jack

@Jim
It's 600€ (roughly US $700) for Nokia 8.

Jim Glue

Hi Huber,

I quite agree. All phones have their downsides. You can't optimize for everything. You can't have small and light and a nice big screen at the same time, as an example. You can't have an amazing camera and a cheap price point.

$700 for the Nokia 8? Oh no, no, no. That will not do. The Bothie is not a great unique feature. It is missing significant features (water resistant, larger memory option, tiny bezels, support) of either Samsung or Apple. The essential phone at least gives you bezeless and exotic frame material to command the iPhone price. Will be interesting to see if the Nokia 8 can outsell either the Essential phone or the Google pixel. Or any Sony, LG or HTC flagship for that matter.

E.Casais

"tiny bezels" as a "significant feature"?

Only in the sense that it signifies that manufacturers are desperately trying to compensate the lack of genuine innovation with faddish look&feel gimmicks -- today "tiny bezels", yesterday "edged display", earlier "ultra-slim".

Apart from that, all HMD devices so far are pretty much middle of the road. The Nokia 8 does not have any USP justifying its price. I do not see how HMD can be successful with that approach.

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