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December 21, 2016

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Tony

Give me a phone with the camera guts of the 808 and bits of the 1020 (so an 808 with optical image stabilisation), a larger minimum aperture and some degree of water resistance and I'll be joining the queue.

 Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Tony

Haha yeah, look for me, if they just did an Android port of the Lumia 1020 with 41mp Pureview and no other changes, I'm in. Waterproofing, gosh yeah. This two lens arrangement (wide angle and telephoto) gosh I'd LOVE that added to 41mp Pureview sensor. A larger sensor by pixel count (say 45mp) whatever they did more would be pure gravy. I still take my trusty 808 Pureview with me as my 3rd device on every trip abroad, plus whenever I leave my hotel room for any situation where I expect possible photographs, while I of course always have my Samsung Galaxy K Zoom as my primary camera. The 41mp resolution is just astonishing that has so often captured a depth of detail my eyes did not at the time.

I'd LOVE to ditch the old Nokia (on its ancient Symbian OS haha) and switch that to Android haha...

Seriously though, I think that work takes more time. I think this Chinese leak is about as good as we could hope for in the first flagship. The Pureview version is likely to come a year later, for Spring 2018 (Barcelona 2018) or if we are VERY lucky, for Christmas 2017. But as PV itself is now years old, they might stun us with some enormous number, just to be able to grab headlines, so I'd expect a larger pixel count than 41mp, likely around 45mp and could even be 50mp (or technically, 51mp to be 1mp more than the famous Hasselblad that took the megapixel crown from Nokia a few years ago and has 50mp).

Again, if this was the real old Nokia, I'd be pretty confident they'd go the full distance on it. As this is HMD, they are a small operation and they can't really afford total 'moonshot' kind of technical explorations haha, I do expect them to be driven by a healthy dose of commercial realism. It may be that we'll never see another cameraphone like the Pureviews. BUT... lets hope. Because if HMD can sell Android smartphones profitably AND can grow market share AND finds a good profitable niche among camera-enthusiastic smartphone buyers - we could well see the return of the Pureview. I think its FAR more likely than a Communicator-style folder/slider physical QWERTY keyboard hybrid phone with touch screen too. So like the N950, the E7 etc. I'd love that and would stand in line for mine, but I am not expecting it. A stunning camera is far more likely than a physical QWERTY slider keyboard.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

JollaBoy

@Tomi
Speaking of QWERTY sliders, how have you liked your N950 SailfishOS/MeeGo dual boot phone? Is it your daily driver?

ChrisB

To me, HMD seems to be as close to being Nokia as it can be, but without being legally part of Nokia. According to the agreement, HMD is getting access to technologies developed by Nokia's research unit, which hadn't been sold to MS, and, more importantly, Nokia has the *final* say over each phone release. Without Nokia's blessing HMD cannot release a single new Nokia-branded phone. That's much more cooperation and control than in other brand licensing deals.


I really think that this is only a temporary solution. If HMD succeeds, it will be b(r)ought back into Nokia corporation, and if it fails, Nokia won't be financially harmed. The current CEO of HMD will then become a Nokia VP, and the only change for HMD employees will be their business cards, as has already happened before: from Nokia to Microsoft to HMD to Nokia. The offices have been the same all along, so this would be only a minor change.


I'm also not sure how the division of labour between HMD and Foxconn is supposed to work, as both claim to be responsible for sales and marketing. It's probably the result of the feature phone unit being sold to Foxconn and the smartphone sales channel, what's left of it, being transferred from MS to HMD. But surely it'd make more sense if both were integrated at HMD, so Foxconn could concentrate on hardware.

RickO

It's good to get an historical update of Nokia over the last 8 years or so - BUT can the Nokia brand make a viable comeback. It's name alone will not cut it today.
The biggest problem - can Nokia make it's UI on Android distinctive enough to get market attention, or will it just be another lightly skinned interface similar to most other Android brands. Trying to differentiate itself from the run of the mill variations on the market today. Nokia dropped Meego OS (My old N9 was delightful and the best UI ever) - it's prodigy Sailfish OS won't happen till all the BRICS nations run with it (Russia is definitely interested)- but may go the same way as Palm and WEB OS.
The bulk of the global market is $150 > $450 - why aim for just the lower end - put 3 models into the market covering that range in the first release. I am a typical buyer - always into a Mid spec / priced phones because that is where I see most value for my spend.
I only ever had Nokia phones (N9 being the last) when MicroSlop took over, I flirted with a 625 and got rid of it a couple of months later, so when my Nokia started playing up, I went to Oppo and love it.
Carrier relations and marketing strategy are vitally important but so is DIFFERENTIATION - otherwise it's just another Android phone.

RickO

You are not going to delete me again are you Tomi. haha.

Johnson

HMD: please make a security hardened Android variant. Work with two other Finnish legends, F-Secure and SSH, to deliver a system where privacy and security are taken seriously.

Instant win.

Abdul Muis

I think beside the camera, Nokia need to up the ante on software update. Announce that nokia will have 3 years of software update (1 more year than what Google promise on pixel)

Abdul Muis

Nokia start 2017 with a bang

http://www.nokia.com/en_int/news/releases/2016/12/21/nokia-sues-apple-in-europe-and-the-us-for-infringement-of-nokia-patents
Nokia sues Apple in Europe and the US for infringement of Nokia patents

Fact

@Abdul
That's because Elop introduced to Nokia the habit of Microsoft bullying negotiation tactics and patent trolling.

Wayne Borean


Tomi,

You are wrong. Santa Claus lives in Canada (the North Pole is Canadian territory). To be safe he made a deal with the Canadian Air Force, which merged the deal into NORAD (The North American Aerospace Defense Command).

For the last forty years NORAD has had Santa's flight track, to ensure he doesn't get shot down. They track Santa using NORAD's enormous radar arrays, and keep kids updated on Santa's progress both using traditional media (all Canadian radio stations are updated, and make regular announcements of where Santa is), and the World Wide Web. The link below allows those in countries which aren't as progressive as Canada to follow along.

http://www.noradsanta.org

As to Nokia, I really can't wait to see what happens. If Nokia does well, I could see them buying Foxcon within the next five years, so that they can go back to a fully integrated company.

 Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Abdul

Thanks! So Nokia picked the darkest day of the year to go into a lawsuit against Apple haha (21 Dec is the winter solstice ie on the Northern Hemisphere it is the shortest day of the year and obviously in Southern Hemisphere in their summer, it is the longest day)

I Tweeted about the Nokia lawsuit to my followers and credited you for spotting the story. Thanks. I am pretty sure Apple will settle this in due time. Nokia will make out nicely in their patent royalties out of whatever comes out of it. They are not in the habit of doing casual-to-frivolous lawsuits so I'd guess purely on that fact, that these have enough merit to win in court. That means that over time Apple lawyers have to agreee its cheaper to pay up.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

 Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Wayne

Haha, actually THAT is part of the myth too. Norad and its radars. What you are referring to, is the current location of the MAGNETIC North, not the physical 'North Pole' of the planet (the exact Northernmost point of the earth, around which axis it spins). The Magnetic North is indeed on Canadian territory (currently on Ellesmere Island and it is moving at more than a km or about a mile per month. Currently the Magnetic North is headed NorthEast and may be in Siberia before we die). But the physical 'real' North Pole is where its always been (the Earth is a giant gyroscope and those centrifugal forces keep it spinning precisely around the same axis for millions of years even as the magnetic North pole keeps moving between physical North and physical South poles over the age of the planet).

So no, Santa does NOT live in Canada haha. Silly notion. WHERE would he live there? No, what Norad radars see, is up INTO the North, they see even PAST the MAGNETIC North but NORAD does not see THE actual North Pole (which is obviously under ice, and under a ton of Artic Ocean water underneath that ice). What Norad radars see and observe is Santa when he APPROACHES from the Northerly direction towards the South, when he arrives to the North American Continent, later in the long-long duration of his Christmas journey on the date we call Christmas Eve that he travels with the time zones, starting from Australia and Asia, then Europe and Africa, and finally the Americas. Obviously to ensure he has enough time to visit all children (who have been nice) Santa has to travel with the diretion of the setting sun, not against it. So he has time zone benefits of flying Westward (an extra-long day) rather than losing time flying Eastward (an extra-short day) as many of us who fly regularly for work know...

So yeah. Norad observes Santa when he is finished with his European leg, and he then flies the shortest route from Europe to North America which goes .. over the North Pole obviously (or actually near the physical North Pole, not actually over it, if you do the precise flight path). And that means it APPEARS to the US based radar systems, that Santa is approaching 'from the North Pole' when in reality, Santa comes from 'beyond the North Pole' which is ..... FINLAND. Its Lapland. Its Korvatunturi, the home of Santa Claus. So don't try this nonsense Wayne, you are only confusing our younger readers with that American TV propaganda. Santa has always lived, and still lives, in Finland. He lives on a mountain called Korvatunturi in Lapland. Finland is the Northernmost country (thus nearest to the North Pole) and while the MAGNETIC North resides currently in Canada yes, the PHYSICAL North Pole is not on any land, it is under the Arctic Ocean. And when Santa flies from Finland to America, to American radars, it SEEMS like Santa comes from the North Pole. He came from 'just beyond' the North Pole, on the OTHER SIDE which is.. Finland :-)

You can't win this argument because we have the proof. Finnair? Santa's official airline. Rovaniemi? Santa's official airport. Korvatunturi is SANTA'S HOME. They have an amusement park there where you can go see Santa and take a sleigh ride pulled by reindeer (not his flying kind obviously, that would be dangerous). Where in Canada supposedly would Santa then live? No, its a wives' tale. Its a myth. Its a popular myth. Now because of the fact that radar only sees to the horizon, and Santa flies low (his flight altitude is less than 1km, it means NORAD can only track Santa to about 124 km (about 78 miles) assuming the Norad early-warning missile tracking radar was on a very high 200 meter mast (600 feet).

But the distance JUST from the magnetic North to 'True North' ie the real North Pole of the planet is.. 500km (312 miles). So the Norad radar will lose track of Santa well before he reaches true North, even if the radar was able to track Santa all the way from Magnetic North haha...

So now this issue is clear. Yes, the silly American TV do show the Norad picture - because that is all they HAVE. But radar waves travel in a straight line, they do not curve with the planet and they cannot see the real North Pole. What they see is Santa coming SOUTH from the North, and in the past they just thought Santa lived somewhere in the North (he is dressed obviously in winter gear) and the common misconception somehow arose that Santa lives 'on the North Pole' which is supremely silly as there is no town, there is no land, there is nothing but ice. How could he possibly make his toys for example if he lived on the Arctic ice with polar bears? All gifts would be made of polar bear skins and polar bear bones? Santa lives in Finland, at his mountain called Korvatunturi. It is of course a real mountain, it is located East of the town of Rovaniemi in Lapland if you want to find it on a map (Korvatunturi is close to the Russian border so on the NorthEastern edge of Finland).

So there! Don't try those tricks on me. We Finns know our Santa... :-)

PS Merry Xmas Wayne :-)

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Wayne Brady

We remain far apart in our interpretation of events. You once lauded the iPhone as such that there would be "smartphones before the iPhone" and "smartphones after the iPhone" (not a direct quote, but the gist). You were right. But since then, you've strenuously denied that the iPhone played any role in the down fall of Nokia, RIM, Msft....every platform that existed prior to the iPhone.

And you are right and wrong. You are right in that the iPhone was a terrible phone by ALL standards that phones competed on when it launched. Terrible battery life. 2G when phones were already 3G. Measly 2mp camera. No keyboard. No memory card. On and on. There's not a single thing except perhaps the size of the iPhone screen that was better than what the competition was putting out. Including the fact the the original iPhone didn't allow for apps and therefore wasn't a smartphone. The iPhone wasn't even all that great a phone.

But here is where we differ. The iPhone is the direct cause for the collapse of all of the existing competition because Apple changed the basis of the competition. The president of RIM responded with "we are competing with a Mac" - and he was right. Ever since the release of the iPhone....all phones had to compete with a "mac in your pocket". The phone was merely an app. WAP? No, you needed the REAL internet. And you needed to be a real iPod. And you needed to be a multi-touch OS.

Everything that mattered before, cease to matter. The race was on to find an "iPhone killer". And it was not the tablet that did RIM in. It was the catastrophic failure of the Blackberry Storm. That was supposed to be the iPhone Killer. A clickable screen was it's signature feature. But it was a terrible phone and failed spectacularly.

Google saw the iPhone and scrapped their launch of the "Blackberry workalike" Android operating system and spent a year making it an iOS work a like. None of the other competitors could turn on a dime like Google did because they had existing successful businesses to defend and their success kept them from truly grasping the extinction-event of the iPhone.

It was race at that point between iOS gaining distribution and Android maturing. Apple was handcuffed by exclusivity agreements...and it took a few years to totally bully and kow the Verizons, Docomo's and China Mobiles of the world. It was a heroic fight between who was the boss. And Apple - Apple proved that THEY were the boss and the largest most terrifying and powerful telco's in the world submitted to becoming dumb pipes. Apple owns the iPhone customers. No carrier branding. No carrier pre-loaded apps. No carrier bundled services.

Meanwhile, Android worked to mature it's OS and app ecosystem. It was quite the duel though the "free if you include android services" nature of Android made it clear from the start that they'd win the unit marketshare.

Nokia, RIM, Microsoft and Palm -- none of them could respond fast enough. Sure, you can point to blunders they made...but it was the iPhone that made their existing products nothing more than road kill. Everywhere the iPhone went, the iPhone dominated (this was before the really cheap Androids came to be). And Android, while never an "iPhone Killer" won the competition for "how do we compete with the iPhone". By far, and without that much real challenge.

The Storm failed. The Palm Pre failed. Windows Phone failed. And Meego was still born and we'll never know "what could have been" because Nokia committed hari kari in hiring Elop.

They all failed because what they were good at no longer set the market. Apple made "what Apple is great at" the battle field and only Google successfully challenged in time. And after Google was good enough (when Google, Motorola and Verizon came out with the Droid) - it was done. The war was over. Android was the new Windows (except not, in a few important ways, but that's a different discussion).

To this day, 9 years later....the Nokia and Blackberry phones of 2007 are better in most every way than today's iPhone. Sure the iPhone now has LTE and better cameras....but the battery life is terrible in comparison with 2007's Nokias. Durability? Nokia. Keyboard? Blackberry and Nokia. On and on. What people looked for in 2006....even today's iPhone's don't match up.

That it's the iPhone that destroyed the competition is shown in that EVERY phone today looks like, works like the 2007 iPhone. None of today's phones resemble a Nokia or a Blackberry.

Wayne Borean


Tomi,

Don't be silly. Canada owns the physical North Pole, and we don't use American radars, we use our own, whIce are installed in the far north of our country. We also have ships and planes patrolling the far north. We can see Santa take off when he heads to Australia to start his work day, with the cooperation of our British friends we can see him head over Atlantic Ocean to Newfoundland, a more direct, and shorter route than over the North Pole.

Of coarse you can't see Santa's workshop. He doesn't like visitors, so if floats, in another dimension, a serene and beautiful paradise.

Santa's Airline? Hah. We have tons of 'Santa' stuff too. Coca Cola, Pepsi, and hordes of other companies claim a link. He laughs at them, like he laughs at your airline!

You do a great job on phones. Leave Santa to the experts - Canadians!

Wayne Borean


Wayne,

Yes, no, and maybe. I'm less than convinced by your arguments, which are an attempt to simplify a complex situation.

Yes, the iPhone with its large touch screen was far more useable. I love it personally, could never use those stupid tiny keyboards - my ring size is fourteen. The iPhone was the first phone with a usable keyboard.

But we don't know if the Apple Imitation Stampede was what changed the market, or if the new paradigm was actually a huge improvement. While I prefer the new paradigm, the fact that so many phone makers jumped on the bandwagon so fast means that it is impossible to say because there never was any real competition between the different form factors.

 Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Wayne

Haha well, we do agree part of the way and then differ quite drastically yes. Thanks for recognizing my early observations about how much the iPhone would indeed change the phone world. But your view takes too much a US-centric myopic view.

If we picture the smartphone market on an axis of wealth, from the USA at one end and India at the other, then in the US market the iPhone and iOS is powerful. In Europe, Australia, Japan, the iPhone is relevant but Android rules. In China Apple is negligable where Android dominates. In India Apple is irrelevant and Android is the only game in town. So your contention that Apple won and everybody copied Apple and Apple caused the end of the rivals - is a viewpoint that carries considerable merit - IN NORTH AMERICA.

Palm yes, Motorola yes, Windows Mobile yes, Windows Phone yes, now even Blackberry yes. Dell, HP other Americans yes. They all essentially died due to Apple. Blackberry however, its big blunder was its tablet. But thats for another blog, even there I agree, Blackberry suffered deeply from Apple envy.

You say modern smartphones look like iPhones not like Blackberries or Nokias. Fine, visually yes, Apple brought us the slab phone form factor. But that argument loses its value the moment we move past year 2007. What happened to touch screen slab phone form factor was NOTHING like where Apple wanted to lead the industry and was EXACTLY what Nokia and then Samsung pushed the industry to do. Is the modern iPhone looking like an iPhone 4, or more look like a Samsung Galaxy Note? Obviously Apple resisted and resisted again any enlarging of the screen from the original 3.5 inch size to very very reluctantly to 4 inches, then very very very reluctantly towards phablet screen sizes.

Apple has been SLOWING the industry evolution, not leading it. If you think the modern smartphone leadership was somehow driven by Apple's leadership, gosh, then Apple has RESISTED the trends for the industry. If anything the Galaxy Note is the most obvious grandfather of all modern smartphones today including the modern iPhones (expect exploding batteries on iPhone 9 haha).

I wrote in 2007 that the industry was transformed - as it was. That all phones then out, were obsolete and all future phones will be compared to the iPhones. That was the huge change. But that was 2007. What have you done for me lately, as Janet Jackson asked in her song once. Apple has done diddly squat since 2007. It gave us OTHER tech it revolutionized successfully (iPad) and less-than-successfully (Apple Watch). But in phones, Apple turned into a luddite company resisting ANY changes from larger cameras to NFC to waterproofing to larger screens to mobile payments.

Did Google, Android and the Android handset makers understand the NEEDS of the smartphones for the planet? YES. They served phones of utility and functionality and openness and features that serve consumers OUTSIDE OF THE USA. Phones with.. dual SIM cards for exmaple, with microSD cards, with waterproofing, with FM radios, etc etc etc. Phones that are normal in India, in Brazil, in Nigeria, in China, in Indonesia, in Mexico, in Russia, in Turkey, in Egypt, etc. Apple is nowhere there. Apple keeps selling its Rolls Royce overboated overengineered ridiculously priced over-automated over-restricted device - by its LOOKS. Not by ANY functionality gain at all. No innovation whatsoever in anything else except looks. It tends to look the best and tends to be among the thinnest phones out there, who needs a thinner phone? Everybody asks for a longer battery life..

Nokia understood this, Symbian understood this, and Nokia was laughing itself to the bank in the first four years of Apple iPhone sales - because Nokia grew MORE in the hypergrowth stage of Apple's iPhone, than Apple did. And Nokia sold highly popular smartphones that didn't look like iPhones - in markets where those features that Nokia offered - mattered more than looks. And meanwhile Nokia pushed obsolescent Symbian far enought to allow the last editions of Symbian to be nearly as good as the iPhone, ie good enough (Windows was never better than Mac, it was just good enough) and yes, even in the last year before Elop killed Nokia, Nokia not just outsold Apple by 2 to 1, Nokia GREW MORE THAN iPhone. Nokia was the second-most-profitable phone maker setting its own profit record at the end of that year, 2010.

If this is failure, Boeing would love to fail like this. If this is failure, Toyota would lvoe to fail like this. if this is failure, Coca Cola would love to fail like this. to be twice as big as your rival, to grow more than your rival and to break your own records for profits (within that division).

So Nokia was easily winning the game and was not spooked by Apple. They had a clear plan - called MeeGo as you know - and all signs showed that MeeGo could have been a serious iPhone-killer or at least a strong rival like Android, with far greater sales than iPhone simply if Nokia converted its own sales and a part of its partners converted their sales from Symbian to MeeGo. But like you say, we will never know, because Nokia died due to Elop madness.

Apart from 2007, what has Apple ever given us that was an innovation or relevant? Nothing. Truly truly nothing. They were not even a fast follower, they were a slow follower and an obstruction to anything for the industry. Now we are far enough into the reality of app stores to know that was yet another iFantasy, only a valid platform for game sales of truly trivial scale in the mobile services empire. What many forecasted to be 180 Billion apps downloaded by now of an industry worth nearly $100B turned out to be downloads half that and an industry sector worth a third of that scale. Yeah. EXACTLY as I warned. No gold rush in apps, its a delivery platform for GAMING. If you take gaming and social media out of apps, there is a barren desert on par with location-based services. But in the interim same period, PREMIUM SMS has grown TWICE as fast as apps, from the same base as that sector was in value when the iPhone App Store launched.

So again, if you Wayne want to talk about app store relevance? It is ONLY of relevance to games, nothing else! Games are one tiny fraction of mobile CONTENT services (news is far bigger) like say music or movies. Advertising is far bigger. Thats before we consider other mobile DATA uses like mobile wallets and payments and banking etc, before we get to things like the camera function and selfies and so forth. Thats before we take in voice services haha from cellular voice to Skype.

If you want to argue that after 2007, the iPhone devastated the videogaming console industry, I'll say yes it did. But in OUR industry, mobile? What have you done for me lately, Apple? Nada. Niente! Nothing.

Whether Apple did an iPhone or not, Nokia was already making larger-screen smartphones than the iPhone before 2007 and both Nokia and Samsung pushed larger screens even than the iPhone or indeed later, the iPhone 4. It is CERTAIN that the industry would have moved into a large screen form factor regardless of the iPhone. Would modern phones look more like a bulkier Nokia and maybe have still more keypads if Apple had not done its iPhone in 2007, probably yes. But Apple did not invent the touch screen and LG was coming out with its revolutionary Chocolate (the design which preceeds the iPhone) for 2007, so we'd have seen some degree of that type of evolution anyway. No, its not fair to say that the competition surrendered to Apple's leadership. The original iPhone form factor of 2007, yes, it was revolutionary and changed the world. Beyond that, the ONLY other thing for us that Apple changed was mobile gaming as a subsector. Beyond that, Apple has resisted every evolutionary step whether the inward-facing selfie cam or industry standards like MMS. And Apple was forced to join the industry standards, often kicking and screaming.

No Wayne, modern smartphones do NOT look like the iPhone. They look like the Samsung Galaxy Note. Sorry. Since 2007, it was Samsung which did most of our leadership. Now we have to hope the industry doesn't follow Sammy into giving us a burning sensation in our pockets next haha...

Tomi Ahonen :-)

Abdul Muis

http://wap.business-standard.com/article/technology/acer-india-puts-mobile-business-on-hold-116121900017_1.html

Acer waving a white flag in india

b

The fight has started!

Apple and Nokia are fighting about patents again

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14043260/apple-nokia-patent-infringement-lawsuit-smartphone

Tester

@Tomi:

" If you take gaming and social media out of apps, there is a barren desert on par with location-based services. But in the interim same period, PREMIUM SMS has grown TWICE as fast as apps, from the same base as that sector was in value when the iPhone App Store launched."

To elaborate on that: I am currently in negotiation over writing a warehouse management app that's supposed to scan QR codes and automatically update the company's database.

Android only. Thanks to Apple's tight control over app development it's utterly unfeasible to do this thing for iOS. There's no way to do quick updates if the need arises because Apple's submission procedure would completely nullify the effect and the entire development would just cost too much. According to the company's boss, he'd rather buy each employee working with this thing an Android phone than spend the extra money on iOS development - the phones are cheaper.

And I really do not think this is an isolated occurence. iOS by its entire design is an utterly useless platform for such tasks that may require frequent software changes and quick turnaround times. One has to wonder what the long term consequences may be.

Wayne Borean


Tester,

Agreed. Apple had the chance to build a 'sideload' feature in for corporate use phones. But they didn't. Which kills the corporate market for iPhones.

This could be a huge market for HMD/Nokia - build a phone with corporate features, like an oversized battery (a must for trade shows), the ability to install phone locked apps (only works on the phone it was originally set up on), more secure phone passwords, etc.

Wayne Borean


Talking about smartphone design and Samsung's self lighting batteries...

https://www.eviscerati.org/comics/comic/hd/2016/09/Or-Maybe-Tiny-Elves

This is the start of the sequence. You could just hit end and go straight to the punchline, but it is better if you read them in sequence.

Peter F. Mayer

Carl ZEISS lenses too,

there was also a rumor that the new Nokia will be equipped with Carl Zeiss lenses. Am I right, that would mean absolutely clear glass lenses and no cheap plastic as in the iPhone?

Wayne Brady

Tomi - great discussion. Before continuing....you appeared to presume some positions on my part. I do not claim "Apple won" - certainly not by your blog's "market share wins" accounting. Nor do I take the position that innovation starts and ends with Apple.

Perhaps a thought experiment would help communicate my point that it was APPLE that brought the downfall of Nokia, RIM, Microsoft and Palm.

Imagine the iPhone was not ever released. And Android came out in late 2007 as the Blackberry work-alike it was intended to be. What would have been the result? Would Nokia have hired Elop? Would Blackberry have cratered? Would Windows Mobile have cratered? Would Palm have cratered? Would Android have take 80% marketshare in a few short years? Would smartphones have been sent into hyper growth mode at all? Would carriers be dumb pipes?

I think none of those things would have happened. Innovation would have continued...of course. Maybe a few years later we'd have had a touch screen phone. But there would have been NOTHING close to the massive, transformative effect that Apple brought with it's iPhone.

Do we not remember that EVERYBODY in the business lost their minds over the iPhone? Even as Ballmer and others publicly dismissed the import of the iPhone....behind the scenes EVERY carrier and every platform maker became fixated over responding to the iPhone. They did NOT just "keep on keeping on" making phones their same way with their same vision of what a smartphone should do.

Verizon, Docomo and China Mobile put out entire commercial campaigns to criticize the iPhone -- while behind the scenes they were pressuring Microsoft, Palm, RIM and Nokia to come up with an "iPhone killer". This would not have happened to respond to Google's Android as it was originally planned.

We complain about there being two platforms developers have to support -- but without the iPhone there would be 6 or more.

Apple doesn't just make products, Apple makes them easy to use and makes them cool and desirable like no other company can. Apple made the smartphone accessible and desirable, and affordable. Wait...yes. It's true. Apple was able to compel the carriers to subsidize the cost to make the iPhone affordable in developed economies. That's what put Verizon, Docomo and China Mobile in such a panic. The second and third rate carriers agreed to Apple's terms (no carrier branding, no carrier apps, no carrier services, no carrier billing AND subsidies and long term volume commitments) in exchange for exclusivity. It worked. Nobody else could generate the demand that Apple could to pull that off successfully. So without Apple, it simply would not have happened.

Google with it's "open source" / free to use if you include Google's services follow on to the iPhone was the "two" in the "one two punch". Samsung had a nice business selling both a line of Blackberry work-a-likes and Nokia work-a-likes but was no major threat. It was the iPhone making the previous platforms "yesterday's dog food" that gave Samsung it's opportunity. Because Microsoft, Blackberry, Palm and Nokia had existing successful platforms, they couldn't just drop everything and adopt Android. They were in the platform business not simply the manufacturing business. They needed time to come up with and then implement their answer to the iPhone.

But due to Google, the rest didn't HAVE that time. But without the iPhone, nothing would have existed to propel Android into the limelight.

Without the iPhone there would not have been NEARLY as quick an adoption world wide by consumers of smartphones. Without the iPhone there would not be a simplified two OS market to make developer's lives easier. And without the iPhone and it's app store, payment system, non-carrier controlled safe and secure market....there would not be anything like the app economy we have. Nokia's app store predates the iPhone, just like most everything in mobile predated the iPhone. Doesn't change the reality of Apple's role in POPULARIZING the concept to the extend a vast and vibrant economy developed.

Now, without Google reworking Android in the wake of the iPhone...the world would also be quite different. Apple was NEVER going to be the unit market leader as Apple makes premium priced products only. Google and Android deserve massive credit for what they did in the wake of the iPhone - in shaping today's mobile world. It's just that Google Android would not be what it is had the iPhone not come.

It's a one, two punch -- but the first punch, the extinction level event - was the iPhone.

Alex Kerr

1.) I hope HMD have the sense to hire you as a strategist/consultant, Tomi.

2.) As I've said to HMD directly a couple of times, I believe removable batteries in Nokia smartphones are extremely important. Look at the issues with battery life in phones today. I think I'm right in saying that Samsung Galaxy S series sales suffered when they stopped making batteries removable after the S5. Having a small, flat spare battery in your pocket (or 2 or 3) is easily the best solution to the power problem, and would really help Nokia differentiate its devices in a market where most other phones' sealed batteries cause flat-battery-anxiety in their users. Plugging in a power dongle is just simply not as good a solution, unless charging can complete in an extremely short space of time. Avoiding power anxiety is also especially important in a world where Android is still less power efficient than Symbian was. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the removable battery issue Tomi.

3.) Plain Android with no extra additions is one of the selling points of Google's Nexus and Pixel. Nokia would do well to copy this.

I've been using the 808 as my main phone since 2012 and it still is today. Wonderful device but a bit slow for my liking now though! :)

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