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AndThisWillBeToo

As already posted to the other thread, Lenovo has told themselves EXACT number 15.8M smartphones. http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/lenovo-is-now-primarily-a-smartphone-maker

Also: You said Microsoft/Nokia WINDOWS PHONES count for 7.7M and by your numbers there should be 2M+ of Nokia X SMARTPHONES so why Microsoft is not in the top 10 with their 9.7M shipped SMARTPHONES?

Tomi T Ahonen

Thanks And

How did I miss that? Thanks! I corrected the chart and now Lenovo is officially already at number 3 even before the Motorola contribution..

As to Nokia, no, even with X Series considering Microsoft shut that down right away, they don't get to Sony levels.

Tomi Ahonen :-)

AndThisWillBeToo

@Tomi
With all due respect, how come? 7.7M Lumia sales need no less than 0.9M Nokia X shipments to achieve shared 10th position. Microsoft killed Nokia X when Q2 had ended while they launched Nokia X2 in June. By all expectations Nokia X was definitely selling more than million during Q2 and will sharply disappear in Q3.
...unless you have some secret carrier data on Microsoft canceling Nokia X shipments during Q2?

duke

I agree its the same ole, same ole again and again. Especially "same ole" with the microsoft astroturfers/trolls/apologists/supporters/name-callers etc. (pick one or more). Always looking to somehow support WP with whatever slight of hand they can attempt (now they are lobbying to make us believe that WP really didn't fall out of the top 10!). You have to wonder why there is such intense interest in a dying OS (declining out of the top 10). Why this defense of a totally irrelevant dying OS? They pretend they want a discussion but they really only want to call names to suppress any WP criticism or deflect reality because of the tone of news articles etc. This WP flat earth society is truly a pathetic bunch. How much are these guys being paid?

As usual Tomi is first with the most accurate statistics. Now the rest of the world is catching up. Even the Wall Street Journal has WP dead and buried:

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/14/the-third-smartphone-ecosystem-is-ending-with-a-whimper/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9250385/The_news_isn_t_good_for_Windows_Phone

http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/14/6003427/windows-phone-sales-decline-q2-2014-idc

...all very recent news.

No matter how much lipstick the astroturfers try to put on the WP pig it is simply looking worse when you add more lipstick (I can think of a great picture). microsoft astroturfing is becoming something to laugh at and ridicule which you see more and more in the comments of news articles about windows phones. The bottom line always brings out the microsoft astroturfers because it is true: NO ONE WANTS A WINDOWS PHONE!

falito

the only stat for windows phone that can help is they increase 13.6% in unit sales from Q1 2014 of 6.2 million, maybe it was the low peak of the chart...maybe.... lumia 1020 on sale in telcel (carlos slim) at only $ 100 dls at 2 year contract of $30 dl/mth. I bought mine 6 months ago at $ 350 dls on a $50 dl/mth. The NK-MS guy in store told me this was until clear inventory....

AndThisWillBeToo

@duke
Who's defending Windows Phone? I explicitly 100% agree on Tomi's 7.7M. It is correct. Fact. And if Windows Phone was a smartphone manufacturer, it would not even be in top 10. Another fact.

But I, like most of the people here, am NOT here for Windows Phone or Microsoft. I'm here for statistics of mobile - the ones that come from most accurate forecaster in mobile.
Now I need those statistics to be accurate. That's why I mentioned Lenovo there. That's why I politely ask about Microsoft.

You Duke don't care about who is 10 and who is 11 - fine. But do you know how many readers this blog has? And many of us do.
Tomi does a HUGE favor when he provides accurate stats for free. What makes that even bigger is that he actively corrects any mistakes in those stats.

By not approving that such discussion takes place, you are not insulting Microsoft, you are insulting Tomi and readers of his blog.

newbie

Nice to see sammy-apple duopoly tumbling a bit.

And Lenovo+Moto will be 5.3+2.9 = 8.2%, and both have momentum. Not too far from Apple's sub-12%

newbie

Kantar says, in USA there are twice as much Android phones sold, compared to iphonies

abdul muis

I think samsung will stay the biggest in the short term (2-3 year), but the market share will surely be shrinking, and won't be that massive anymore.

But the biggest question is, WHEN apple will become number 3 or 4 or 5. When Lenovo, Huawei & XiaoMi will kick apple to number 5.

Stormwatch

>Nokia who invented the smartphone

Again Tomi insists on this lie. IBM released a smartphone two years before Nokia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon

RottenApple

@Stormwatch:

From that link: First released August 16, 1994


That'd make today the 20th birthday of the smartphone... :)

David

Stormwatch: ¿What do you call a smartphone?

A smartphone is a type of handheld personal computer with connectivity, etc, and a personal computer has to be programmable by user or 3rd parts, i.e. it must accept programs (and not trivial or very limiting apps like some Java Micro Edition we saw in dumbphones).

IBM Simon can´t be called a smartphone because it doesn´t accepts programs. Even 1st Symbian, the Ericcson R380 phone, wasn´t a smartphone -no program installation was allowed-. The 1st smartphone was the Nokia 9210 Communicator on market in 2000: this was the 1st smartphone because is the 1st where you can install programs on it. Even there were other earlier Communicators that weren´t smartphones at all for the same reason Simon isn´t.

For me and much others, the capability of programmabilityby user or 3rd parts is one of the elements (not the only one) in the definition of smartphone. If you can´t program it, then it isn´t a personal computer, and if it isn´t a personal computer it isn´t a smartphone.

Stormwatch

@David:

By that standard, the Simon was indeed a smartphone. A very primitive one, sure, but still...

>The Simon could be upgraded to run third party applications either by inserting a PCMCIA card or by downloading an application to the phone's internal memory.

RottenApple

@David:

Define the boundary between 'programs' and 'very limiting apps'!

I'd say we have to place the boundary at 'being capable of installing native apps'. The thing with J2ME was not that it was 'very limiting' but that you couldn't target the phone ans its OS directly but only a badly designed abstraction layer.

So, if the Simon was capable of running native apps, yes, it deserves to be called a smartphone.

Daniel Ahmad

Your Xiaomi numbers are wrong.

Xiaomi shipped 15.1m smartphones in Q2 2014.

eduardom

According to this, the Microsoft App store is full of scams and junk because Microsoft pushed for quantity at the expense of quality.

http://www.howtogeek.com/194993/the-windows-store-is-a-cesspool-of-scams-why-doesnt-microsoft-care/

I wonder if something similar is the case for Windows Phone apps.

AndThisWillBeToo

@Daniel Ahmad
That's Canalys number. IDC counted Xiaomi’s second quarter sales more conservatively at 12.9m. Tomi has an average of those two and SA.

duke

@eduardom ...Thanks for pointing out a very interesting but NOT surprising article at (http://www.howtogeek.com/194993/the-windows-store-is-a-cesspool-of-scams-why-doesnt-microsoft-care/). You can go to the window store and see for yourself what a mess it is.

BTW, I am sure our astroturfers will take offence at the "tone" of this article and use that to claim it is not true ...and will likely respond with the usual name calling :-)

RottenApple

@duke:

Please check your astroturfer paranoia at the door. I haven't seen one here for a LONG time.

AndThisWillBeToo

@duke
That article sounds legit to me. It is exactly the policy Nokia had under Elop. My wife has Asha 300 and Ovi Store (when limited to Asha apps only) is equal mess. Same searches for VLC or Firefox result to "helper" apps blatantly using official logos of those apps.
And not that Microsoft is alone in that field:
http://www.businessinsider.com/one-third-of-blackberry-world-apps-come-one-developer-2013-8

zlutor

@Tomi: Nokia is missing from Android vendors...

it would be interesting to see how Android is fragmented - especially AOSP vs Google services provided ones...

AndThisWillBeToo

@zlutor
Table header says "Manufacturers in Top 10". Nokia/Microsoft is not in Top 10 currently.
(I have politely asked Tomi to justify his less-than-one-million sales of Nokia X but he hasn't replied yet.)

adi purbakala

@zlutor

AOSP is about 20%. If tomi said Google Android about 1.3 billion. That's mean AOSP about 300 million phone. Bigger than WP or bb os10(3 million phone?).

adi purbakala

@rottenapple

After nokia got sold to Microsoft, the astroturfer (baron) left us.

cornelius

@zlutor

If you count AOSP as a separate OS, then WP is not the third ecosystem anymore. So problem solved. We already have a third ecosystem, no need for WP. WP can die.

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