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Interested to know

It's beggars belief that Elop and Ballmer are going to get away with this.

Interested to know

Microsoft+Nokia at least lead the industry in astroturfing.

They are experts in diverting attention away from the catastrophes that they create.

Conspiracy

IF, Elop and Ballmer and Nokia board, were even placed under investigation (of the obvious), it would have only positive impacts to both blue and white collar workers.

Blue collar workers would feel that the law is the same for all and the white collar workers (=F100 CEOs) would be more cautious in the future.

But that is never going to happen. Someone wrote a great comment in Uusi Suomi, that now all three major mobile OS's are in US under NSA and Jorma Ollila was given his current position with Shell, if he made sure, that Nokia, the rebel and pioneer in mobile, would be sold to Microsoft. This agreement, of course, was made in one of the Bilderberger meetings :)

Makes sense if you think about it. Long gone are days when Big Elephants danced ;)

indiephone

And this person may very well be Microsoft's new CEO?

They're screwed.

Okay they're screwed in any case but still...

zlutor

@Conspiracy: "now all three major mobile OS's are in US under NSA" - actually not three but all four (yours + Symbian) are control of USA companies...

Remember the very first movement was outsourcing Symbian to Accenture...

zlutor

@Conspiracy: not to mention S30 and S40 phones being heavily used in countries in Asia, Middle East and Africa...
But it is really just a conteo...

Giacomo Di Giacomo

@Zlutor: Outsorcing does not mean giving control. Accenture does what their customers tell them. And, by the way, Accenture is not USA, but Irish. Nevertheless, I agree with the NSA conspiracy theory.

foo

Why compare the first 6 months with the next 2.5 years? It makes it seem that the collapse was slow.

You should compare the first 6 months with the next 6 months. That is enough to show the Elop Effect.

Brock

Nokia + Android = Newkia!!!
http://www.androidauthority.com/nokia-android-phone-newkia-264160/

Made my day!

vladkr

Tomi:

Who won the "guess Elop's departure" contest ? Or do you consider Elop is not out yet ?

vladkr

@Conspiracy:
Elop hasn't been investigated when he sold formerly successful Macromedia to Adobe. Unfortunately, I doubt he can be worried. These kind of cheaters often win.

e_lm_70

@Vladkr

"Elop hasn't been investigated when he sold formerly successful Macromedia to Adobe."

Elop bought tons of Nokia stocks at the lowest price, knowing well, that MicroSoft was about to buy the money losing division (he made it as money losing, before was a money maker) ... only for this he should be investigated and lock in jail .. together with all the BoD members that did the same.

But, in Finland nobody did anything even if Tomi made an open letter with all the crimes made by Elop as CEO of Nokia.

Prasenjit Singh Bist

Dear Tomi,

Elop the cancer was finaly cured but what a sacrifice had to be made the prized possession of D&S unit.. Look at that son of satan he spent last 2 yrs meeting and identifying the personnels MSFT will need and the patents and the designers and then the Trojan showed his colours.

Some will say its a board decision but Elop was CEO he runs day 2 day operations he proposes to board and that idiot that fatso craeted this circumstances.

But the BoD and chairman did the right, without Nokia going bankrupt and making it prey to vultures they prudently gave the shark what it wanted and saved Nokia though at a huge price.

I was wondering had Nokia continued with Meego and not bashed Symbian rather shared the updates that were to come etc etc we could have been in a different world. Nokia had the market share, money power and influence but this ass hole made Nokia loose.
Nokia spent money on Anna, Belle, Belle Refresh but people had given up on Symbian and Elop the great ass leader had done it..

Also too an extent OPK was wrong in 2009 they should have gone all guns blazing on Maemo rather than merging with moblin and loosing time.. these small things really complicated syuffs for Nokia.

Also I belive Tomi that Symbian 3 team should have focussed more on the UI part and Web technologies eve if that meant loosing some core s60 features... they could have added them over the time.. That would have given Symbian 3 a better fresh appearance .

Anssi Vanjoki was a fighter he knew the scale Symbian was playing at and the premium Nokia could have but why on earth was Elop the Asshole made CEO.

I have a few questions that I request you to please reply.
1. Who could be possibly the new Nokia CEO now?
2. Nokia retains Nokia brand and in analyst call the CFO spoke about monetization through new products, is there any comment from you on that?
3. Can we see Jolla play a role in next chapter of Nokia something NeXT did for apple.

Thanks,

vladkr

@e_lm_70 :
Elop and Ballmer paraded in Finnish parliament, and even met Finnish Prime Minister, although they certainly don't deserve such an honour (I was already disgusted that Elop was invited in presidential parties on Finnish Independence day).

Although like you, I'd like to see Elop, Ballmer (and all their team) follow the fate of Maddoff, I still doubt they'll risk anything.

That's quite unfair, I agree...

Henry

The bare numbers taken by themselves are simply appalling. 6-7 years ago I would have spoken of 'science fiction', if someone had showed me such forecasts for the mighty Nokia. Vanjoki is perfectly right in his definition of 'complete failure'. Tomi, at this point you could insert also the number of the people made redundant, comparing with the previous management, so the picture will be complete :-{

oli

No argue, Elops is the greatest trojan horse in economical industries

Esau

Tomi and Risku were fools a few days ago. Now they present the absolute truth. What happened to Finnish press?

Esau

Nokia headquarters is (was) located at the best possible place westwards from Helsinki. In a beautiful island and marina area. You cannot avoid seeing 'Nokia' when you drive to any of the best suburbans in Espoo (western Helsinki suburbans).

'Auto Here' is great for finding a route to avoid seeing 'Microsoft' neons.

Esau

It was Siilasmaa that had to sign the papers. He is a fool that Microsoft professionals choose as a sheep. Even his English linguisting abilities are quite limited. Why did Ollila choose a sheep like him?

Esau

No one has an answer. I will answer myself. I saw the TV-show with Ollila just after the MS deal. He was like an animal pushed towards a corner.

Ollila said that he was convinced that European software cannot compete with American software. WHAT? Nokia using SAP and a Finnish guy called Linus Torvalds driving mobile to Android? WHAT (the f)?

I do repeat my question. Why did Ollila choose a Windows-sheep like Siilasmaa? Why?

Esau

Finnish Prime Minister and Bill Gates met many times years ago:

http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2007/12/20/vanhanen-ja-gates-tapaavat-jalleen/200732462/66

Esau

Don't forget that it was Nokia who founded Symbian and took Ericsson and Motorola with it. That made Windows CE obsolete that time (forever).

Povit


What Elop did with Nokia is swindling, scheme and fraud. This must be brought into the court. Swindling is seen in every of his deeds.
So Nokia can be saved from Microsofts claws.

volt

"Was Nokia smartphone unit truly in catastrophic trouble before the Burning Platforms memo? "

No.

- They increased sales from 80M to 111M from 2009 to 2010 (Gartner). Even when Android were exploding, Symbian increased more than IOS.

- They had acknowledged that they had problems with their OS being perceived as dated and made significant changes to their Symbian innovation attempts with Symbian^3.

- They had created a working platform that were to have a symbiotic relationship with Symbian and eventually replace it. Maemo/The N900 had received very positive reviews even in the US and had a very enthusiastic community.

- Their purposed replacement OS and their existing milk cow OS had created a symbiotic layer in Qt that would allow development for both platforms and minimize the downsides of migration.

- They had what has been considered one of the world best R&D organizations.

- They had a period where their phones were considered bricks compared to i.e. HTC and the new slim trend. But with the N9 they ended that period and again their hardware design was considered desirable.

Apart from that, they still had considerable challenges and problems, but what is catastrophic is shooting your milk cow at the start of the year and having no replacement before the end of the year. Even knowing that your milk cow is old, you have to plan to get as much milk from it as you can until your replacement is ready. Elop must just be dumb. I can't understand it any other way.

volt

Oh, and they had the largest SmartPhone Eco System. Isn't that what all this was about in the first place?

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