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June 29, 2013

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Hansu

@ muur if that was the case then why didn't Microsoft buy Nokia in 2012 when the share price was at 1,4 euros it was dirt steal now it's twice as expensive to buy? the numbers dont ad up.
@ Foo everytime a new quarter people say even if shipments are going up the market share is going down so let me get this straight 7,4M lumias sold analyst say 7,1-8 million pretty much as expected Nokia said 7,1 so that figures and yet they keep loosing market share, how can you loose something buy selling more that hasn't got any markeetshare to begin with if you start from nothing and then sell more each quarter and you still lose marketshare how is that possible

muur

@hansu

There is no need to buy something you already own.

Hansu

@ Muur but why ignore such golden opprtunity I mean if this WP project what the hell would they get in return...nothing if they would have bought Nokia last year for peanuts and got a company that has a break up value rougly 2,5x the share price and got all of their patents NSN factories and hardware making know how not to mention the camera technology

AndThisWillBeToo

@Hansu
"sell more each quarter and you still lose marketshare how is that possible?"

Tomi has explained it when it happened to Nokia in 2010:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/01/sherlock-holmes-hounds-of-the-nokiaville-why-did-nokia-market-share-crash-dive-i-may-have-an-answer.html

muur

@hansu

Microsoft already has advantageous patent agreements with Nokia for a song. Microsoft doesn't want all of Nokia. Microsoft, understandably, wants what will benefit its agenda. There is no need to pay for what you already own.

vladkr

@hansu

Microsoft wants to have only Nokia's wealth, not the debt... that's why they have a partnership instead of an ownership ; they get all patents for free, all troubles and debts are kept by Nokia.

Hansu

Yes but Nokia still has a boat load of cash in their pockets even after the NSN deal even after the break up of their assets they could pay off hte debt and still be on the positive also why has Microsft kept pumping money into the company since it hasn't got much in return execpt for patents and a bit of know how I mean they could had all that and I'm sure as hell it would now have cost over a 1B usd a year just for the privilige it dosen't make financial sense one bit no matter how you look at it. Why pay rent for an apartment that you lend to someone else that returns the favour to you when you can for the same money buy the apartment and still get the same benefits and the luxury of beeing able to sell it off for a quick profit or keep it this baffles me. If Elop was the big MS insider then why was the house trashed the value brought down so prospectors could pick up the remains and sell the parts for profits only that would not happen and now start rebuilding the house?
@and this intresting text but we can see the same happening now yes dumphone market share is going up but overall losses were down from the enourmous losses of last year and the situation is beginning to stabilize.
And on a more positive noteor however you wanna take it Nokia has shipped more Lumias than Blackberry phones in the previous quarter.

Tester

@Hansu:

>> And on a more positive noteor however you wanna take it Nokia has shipped more Lumias than Blackberry phones in the previous quarter.

That doesn't help at all if those sales are achieved by dumping large numbers of phones in the bargain bin segment. These are customers who don't care about 'ecosystem' and all the associated resources. They just want a smartphone for as little money as possible.

They neither help Nokia nor Microsoft to improve their position.

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