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February 26, 2013

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vvaz

1. LG bought WebOS for their TVs not smartphones.
2. LG will embrace FirefoxOS because both WebOS and FirefoxOS depend on HTML5 apps - no conflict here. Even if LG change their mind about smartphones migration for developers and users should be relatively painless.
3. If LG, Samsung and all other interested in smaller 'ecosystems' will play it smart there may be cooperation. All of them are based on HTML5 apps. With time they can replace Android on featurephone level or maybe even high end smartphones because...
4. ... Google botched first stage of patent wars and most hardware makers interested in mass production of Android phones is playing it safe and are paying MS for imaginary patents Android is infringing.

phonebooth

I humbly suggest that LG bought WebOS for the patents only - i.e. to protect themselves from any further patent-related lawsuits from competitors targeting their Android-based smartphone business.

J-the-finn

I'm stillamazed on how much attention (=time) Nokia spent on promoting the new 15 euro basic phone. Is that really the solution? Will it save Nokia? I wonder what is the OS in it... (do smell something "burning"?)

If I'd had any Nokia shares, I'd sell them real fast after them promoting 15 euro phone as a big thing.


PS: am I really the 1st commentor?

Tencent

Hi Tomi I'm a little disappointed that you do not even bother to mention the ASE for android (Android Scripting Environment)which is the one thing that has a major pull in python developers such as my self! And yeah you also left out that huawei is in fact a part of the tizen development camp! And if microsoft cannot and will not get any success in mobile they can always use those imaginary patents that android infrings to pour more money on the WP shite and I personally think that the future of M$ is as an app devoloper/patent hub threatning to sue anybody who makes smart phones for monezz.

vvaz

And one more thing:

Sony is already in FirefoxOS camp:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/25/sony-telefonica-firefox-os-2014/#continued

phonebooth

By the way it's also food for thought that Elop's original reason for choosing Windows Phone over Android was a desire to protect profit margins and avoid being squeezed by competitors for a commodity product. Now Nokia seems to be doing just that - i.e. competing with Chinese low cost providers on supplying the cheapest Windows Phone for emerging markets. And since Nokia does not have access to the OS source code there's no way they can do any real differentiation - unlike what they would be able to do if they had gone the Android route. To say nothing of what their room for maneuvering would be had they not thrown out Meego with the bathwater.

zlutor

@phonebooth: we most probably will not ever know what was the reason behind choosing WP.
If there was anything besides the obvious thought by many...

But whatever the reason was it does not seem to be working (well).


Now I just really waiting for the Annual Shareholders' Meeting in May(?). Will there be any brave man who ask Elop what is the plan for the future? What market share he foresee in Q4 of 2013, 2014 and so on...

Maybe Tomi should buy a share and go to the event. What a fun party it would be! I may go and see it... ;-)

cycnus

@Zlutor

We need some Finnish who were like Einhorn that brave enough to challenge the BOD and system.

afra33

Tomi,

It should be no surprise to you that Elop, the trojan horse, has been deliberately placed as CEO by the illuminati to destroy the once mighty technology company known as Nokia. They already have an illuminati exec there, that's Ahtisaari. The goal was to make Nokia an irrelevant tech company which they achieved. Reason being is simple: Finland is not as much controlled by the Illuminati as they would like.

They need full access to the phones OS so they can fish all the data from every person using a smartphone, which will be everybody soon. Goal: Police fascist state, you heard me right fascism is coming back.

That's why all the major OS's are from Illuminati controlled companies like Apple (Al Gore, illuminati member), Google, they have a bunch of illuminati controlled board members, Microsoft, illuminati all over starting with Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. As you saw with Blackberry, they pretty much gave up their secure encrypted network they had once, now they are getting a little better review from the "media" (also illuminati controlled).

All form of communication is under surveillance.

The Illuminati is a Jesuit controlled mafia organization with their headquarters at the Vatican, an independent city state.

Hope that clarified your thoughts about the missteps Elop has taken so far.

zlutor

@cycnus: Why should (s)he be a Finnish? ;-)

I just want to hear answer to that simple question: what market share he expect in short/medium/long term. Numbers, plain numbers are acceptable only.

Interestingly nobody asks this single question in any interview... :-(

cycnus

@zlutor.

because it's a Finnish company?
if Finnish don't care, why would other care?

Wayne Borean


Times, they ate exciting.

Personally I'm hoping we end up with five strong ecosystems, to provide variety, and provide users with a wide range of options. It isn't healthy when one OS makes up the vast majority of the market (like Windows on the desktop).

Wayne

cycnus

@Wayne

The problem with Windows on Desktop is MICROSOFT is OWNING ALL THE IP of the OS.

In Android, Google WERE SHARING the GLORY with phone manufacture. I think this is the reason that WP (and also BB10) failure. Phone manufacture & Carrier don't want to be dictated by some other company and Google/Android give that FREEDOM*.

*A better degree of FREEDOM compared to WP.

John Phamlore

Everyone but Google (and I suppose Apple with its patent cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft brilliantly negotiated by Steve Jobs at just the right time) will eventually pay to use Microsoft's patents because they will all need to use Microsoft's exFAT filesystem IP.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2013/Jan13/01-16BMWPR.aspx

It's not just Android makers who are buying access to Microsoft's patents.

John Phamlore

The Linux community brought the current situation on themselves with Microsoft able to basically use exFAT as the club to force everyone to license their IP. By keeping the code for Ext2 and its derivatives under GPLv2 and not releasing it under something like a BSD license, this insured these filesystems would not become industry standards, unlike the case for the implementations for TCP/IP which were released under much more permissive licenses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocol_suite

"The spread of TCP/IP was fueled further in June 1989, when AT&T agreed to put into the public domain the TCP/IP code developed for UNIX. Various vendors, including IBM, included this code in their own TCP/IP stacks."

N9

@John Phamlore:

Ah, no. FAT is a standard because of the Microsoft monopoly on the desktop. ext2/3/4 was never in the position to change this. And if there had ever been a risk, Microsoft would have support a slightly incompatible version to destroy it as a standard. Also there are BSD licensed versions of ext available since more than a decade.

John Phamlore

@N9 The official ext versions are NOT licensed BSD, furthermore I am fairly certain the BSDs have not kept up with later versions such as ext3 or ext4.

Google rewrites the entire userland and makes sure the Linux kernel header files are sanitized so that there is no GPL contamination, licensing their changes under much more friendly Apache Software License, and lo and behold, almost everyone embraces Android.

Janne Särkelä

Ubuntu is looking good at the moment - it'll probably be the first (relatively) wide spread manufacturer independent (mobile) OS? So far Ubuntu Touch has been ported to all of the major phones from Android manufacturers. It's still in the developer preview phase, but it scales from desktop to mobile as a single UX. The marriage of the platform and the OS is crumbling.

Phones and mobile devices will probably be soon skinnable in terms of the functionality and UI like the browsers today. This might be especially true with Firefox OS.

asdf

mel...., would have been the killer/winner... from low cost to possibly high end...

cycnus

@John

The reason that Google were REMOVING THE EXTERNAL SD-CARD support were those FAT file system. Therefore the current Nexus lineup and also iPhone/iPad doesn't need to pay Microsoft a single cent for FAT file system.

John Phamlore

@Janne Explain to me how Android isn't a manufacturer independent (mobile) OS. I thought I read on this site from Tomi himself how Android was going to wind up in all sorts of devices and not just mobile. He's probably right, because Google with Android solved the problem of providing Chinese hardware makers an OS where they could peacefully load in their binary blobs for drivers and go about actually making stuff.

This push for alternatives to Android reminds me of Woody Allen in the movie Sleeper when he explains to Diane Keaton: "In a year's time we'll be stealing Erno's nose."

chithanh

@John Phamlore
The ext2 remark is bollocks. DVD Forum and BDA went with UDF, which is an open standard and BSD licensed implementations exist. Why not SD Association? Because they were in Microsoft's pockets. Now they are seeing the backlash because more and more manufacturers don't install SD slots into their devices in order to avoid paying exFAT licensing fees.

Janne Särkelä

@John, yeah I realized the mistake. The difference is in the freedom of installing a new OS on your device of choice.

N9

@John Phamlore.

The Linux kernel used in Android is GPLed including the ext2/3/4 and fat filesystem drivers. So where is your argument?

Joe

Another nice side effect for Google of seeing fewer SD card slots in Anroid devices is that it will lead to higher usage of (Google's) cloud services.

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