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June 08, 2012

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Derp

Symbian is dead, there will be no resurrection, the engineers are now Accenture employees and the offices where the technical work was done are being wound down. All that's happening now is 'knowledge transfer' where decades of experience is being 'copied and pasted' into the mind of developers in low-cost countries. There will be no more innovation on this platform because the skills are no longer in the company. Also, I don't see anyone wanting to work for Nokia again because the wages are poor, the workplace is unbelievably bureaucratic and if you wish to advance your career, or have your opinion count, you need to be based in Finland. Not an attractive proposition for most people.

NoNameRequired

Samsung and Apple are not likely take-over candidates, since their massive dominance in the industry would trigger regulatory antitrust issues. Google probably has the same problem now after the Motorola acquisition.

As many have mentioned, it seems that Nokia is now full of poison pills for any take-over candidate. For that reason, many are probably watching the class action lawsuit and Google's antitrust lawsuit very closely, to see what comes out from discoveries in these lawsuits. Once they are known, the true cost-benefit of a hostile take-over can be estimated.

My best bet is that either a private equity firm will buy it, split it up and offer all the interesting parts to whoever wants them, or Microsoft will do it.

pharazon

How about the anti-trust legislation of Nokia-Samsung merger? I think a such monopoly would need approval from the EU (not US though).

Similarly Apple-Nokia merger would probably hit anti-trust procedures.

Tomi fantasises about ex-Nokia Managers taking over, I can't see that happening (they are too poor :)

Actually the original reason of Nokia's downfall started already 12 years ago when they grew too big and started to manage the company like a factory (or maybe they have always done that). Unfortunately it's not the way how a software company should be run. It worked well for NSN and dumb phones when they were mostly hardware, but since 2007 the phones have been about software. Nokia is not a software company. Thus there is low value in the organization & skill left inhouse. The Nokia management has never knewn how to run a software company up to this date.

Read the manage from above. The bloated 100 000 employee Nokia organization model is having 25 managers for 1 employee. There is a lot of efficiency in that :) Nokia has outsources all other competences except management and architecture. They are in the business of management (should move in selling management consultancy to other bloated corporations). The excess management layer leads into a political organization - and thus ex-Nokia managers who have lost in the politics game, and are thus wrathful.

Tomi has a point in the value of the hardware business. I can't see any future in Nokia's software, what ever the platform. Thus the most probable buyer will be a big investment banker who can accumulate 10B$. In the days of financial crisis, I can't see anybody but the Chinese to have sufficient funds to reward the risk.

The (bidding) game is on!

SamKB

Tomi, thank you for mentioning my 101 Shortcomings of Windows Phone. The list has been updated with 20 bonus shortcomings to make a total of 121. All disputed items have been resolved and the list is to the best of my knowledge accurate. The original list had some disputes because some manufacturers made special provisions, there were updates which corrected some of the flaws and some were not written clearly. The list can be accessed here:

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=392155#392155

LeeBase

Samsung bailed on the loser Symbian OS along with the rest of the world. Only you are left selling that pipe dream that Symbian has any value. Samsung already has Meego, and STILL it's not ready to be shipped.

The Lumia decision was a bet the company decision. There is no going back, not for Nokia nor any who would buy Nokia.

The only company that has an interest in Nokia would be Msft. Like I said long ago, Msft will invest in Nokia to keep it alive, not buy Nokia outright.

Nokia hasn't been able to sell NSN for years now. Nokia's phone business isn't worth buying. Navteq will have to go for a fire sale price. Nokia's price will have to fall below what those two businesses could be sold at fire sale prices before a banker will buy Nokia to break it up.

Lee

eduard0

Anybody know how much cash Nokia has, and how fast it is burning it?

Dared

@LeBase,

Tizen has taken so long as MeeGo's app environment is based on Qt, whereas Tizen is HTML5 - so the code needed to be rewritten

Also, Nokia made all it's money from its Symbian based phones. Not just that, but it's new Pureview tech runs on Symbian, not WP. If they were still using Symbian they could get that tech out a lot faster, rather than spend the time to make WP compatible with it

Tomifan

@SamKB
thanks for reminding. I added a comment to your original list posting. I'm sure you will find my list is 100% accurate and can be easily used to strengthen your list what comes to superiority of Symbian as OS. And yes, I included your bonus 20 in my list.

RobDK

I have read several articles mentioning unfinanced pension commitments in Nokia's pension fund, and that the money owed here is larger than the current cash reserves. Hence the junk status on Nokia's debt papers. Does anyone have any better knowledge?

If there is a pension problem, then that would explain the lack of interest in taking over, or liquidating Nokia....

Kenny

The Pureview 808 has gone on sale but in a very low key manner. Its price is set higher than Lumia 800. Nokia is only selling in limited quantities and it does not want to promote this phone for fear it will compete with Lumia. Never has a company acted with such fear towards its own product. If the Lumia is truly a good product why not let it compete on a level playing field with N9 and Pureview? Or does Nokia think it can shaft an inferior product down consumers' throats?

Rosita S. Kirk

Nokia has really fallen into trouble nowadays, due to its reluctance to change. They forget the idea that the world keeps change all the time. Hope they could learn a lot through this failure.

TheOneThatGotAway

Tommy misses one important aspect on Intel.
Intel owns Infineon whose chipsets have for years been in by far the largest part of Nokia's dumb phones.
By letting Nokia slip to other suitors, Intel risks loosing a lot of business.
Before Elop, the relationship between Intel and Nokia were very close/strategic.

Nokia's footprint has been so large, that disentangling old supplier relations due to a collaps of Nokia, essentially disrupts alot of the component supplier business as well.

pingpong

NSN is 50/50 co-owned bei Nokia and Siemens: Any buyer of Nokia would have to settle with Siemens about NSN- and a settlement would not be about cash alone, as Siemens cannot risk another Benq disaster. So I bet NSN is the reason why no one has tried to buy Nokia so far.

anobserver

I believe that the smartphone unit is the _least_ interesting for a potential buyer -- except for very few choice pickings like camera technology and Pureview patents. Not even Microsoft will bother about it.

This is because of
a) the turmoil and demoralization during the Elop epoch;
b) the disorganization brought by constant changes in strategy and the associated internal fiefdoms (Maemo, Meego, S90, Symbian, WP);
c) the loss of corporate know-how (in particular, but not only, of Symbian developers to Accenture);
d) the stranglehold imposed by arrangements with Microsoft.

The smartphone unit is in complete disarray; in contrast, the feature phone division is comparatively in good shape, has its factories churning out products, and could be reorientated by a clever and decided acquirer. Navteq is interesting in itself, and NSN reorganized (with lots of streamlining and pruning) by a Huawei, ZTE, or Cisco.

J.O. Aho

@Dared:
I don't think Nokia has the possibility to make WP compatible with their hardware, but it's the other way around that Nokia has to make the hardware WP compatible.
If I don't mistake, MS was talking about getting the PureViews camera supported sometime in 2013.
The specs of WP phones are always the same, it's not like with Android that you will see a lot different hardware for the same version of Android.

John

I dont know how it will go with Nokia. But are Windows Phone bad? If look at the app development it seems to work very fine:
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/news/item/14960_100000_apps_published_to_Windo.php

Can Nokia last to Windows Phone Apollo, they will compete with the hardware to:
http://www.concept-phones.com/nokia/nokia-lumia-evolution-runs-windows-phone-apollo-pretty/
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_to_unveil_windows_phone_apollo_on_june_20-news-4339.php

Would Microsoft give up the smartphone market if it get more important than the PC?
http://bizmology.hoovers.com/2012/03/29/smartphone-shipments-grow-may-outpace-windows-pc-sales-by-2016/

Well, maybe I am wrong but I dont think so. If Microsoft abandon Nokia who else will the make a deal with?

eduardo

The Register claims Microsoft looked at buying Nokia, but decided not to, at least for now

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/11/microsoft_nokia_merger/

Sturmmann

Samsung is also a telecommunication network equipment manufacturer. I think that NSN would be useful for Samsung.

anobserver

All those speculations are a bit overblown -- and already stale, as Samsung officially denied interest in acquiring Nokia:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/us-samsung-nokia-idINBRE85A0AN20120611

Earendil Star

John, thanks from everybody in this forum for the MS ads.

Yet, looking beyond marketing (it reminds me of the leaked photos of the would-be-called Lumias in February 2011), it is fun to see that the great enhancements of WP8 aka Apollo are:

1) multi core support (Wow! That's a breakthrough!)
2) HD display (Wow again! How many years after Apple and Android?)
3) Support for legacy apps (Wow wow wow! Really? That's amazing! But will they run smoothly? In emulation?)

Come on? Is this a joke or what? A closed ecosystem with few "supported" apps? Two years behind the competition?

By the way, apparently, current Lumias won't support Apollo.

And being Apollo sporting a new kernel and new technology, as usual, it will be laden with bugs (typical MS).

Also curious to know when these phones will actually ship.
It is typical MS/Nokia to announce months in advance, just to have comparisons with current phones on the market and ultimately more favourable reviews for WP. Just compare with what Apple does: announcement made, products readily available.

Yes, I know. We will have to wait for WP9 to see the REAL thing. Lol.

Loyalist

The local Nokia guys, Perttu and Timo and Marko have been already taken the Pension Plan B here in OULU and are now retiring. They take the usual route with a retreat to Abroad, Thailand, Australia and so on... the guys being of mediocre vocational institute grads I think Nokia's Take-Overist will be more than happy to get rid of them. I guess Nokia will be here in the Oulu no more soon.

I find it unlikely the guys will find another work soon in the same wage class as they have ridden the wave of Nokia success all way from the vocational institute to their current +5k EUR /mth salary.

Guys, its time to stop running your mouths and start collecting Statutory Welfare!

Matti

Both Meltemi and Qt seem to be cancelled as well. Not mentioned in the press release, but so many key Qt and Meltemi people are tweeting about losing or leaving their jobs that I can't see any other explanation. Plus one the key Qt persons just tweeted that the future is in Java.

Thats the two last Microsoft independent pieces killed. Surely Nokia is now lean enough for Microsoft buyout.

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