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May 21, 2012

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vladkr

@Tomifan:
as usual, title and content are two different things. Who can tell what paper Ballmer, Elop and the others signed? Who can tell what will Nokia become by the end of 2012? Will Elop resign this year?...

- Have you noticed that 2012 is not finished yet?

- signing deals (what E.Murtazin claimed) and announcing them officially, as the title of the article suggests are two different things.

Sure, E.Murtazin made mistakes, and I think in his this week's article about WP for example, he's wrong, however most of time, he appeared to be right.

Tomifan

@vladkr
The single reason I doubt MS would buy Nokia is the current state of Nokia as a company.
Sure, MS would've loved to own 2009 Nokia. Unfortunately using 2012 Q1 Nokia as a way to get into smartphone market is like using millstone as a swimming aid.
@Tomi, feel free to quote that.

Ark-kun

>Sixthly, Samsung is China's bestselling smartphone. And Samsung is diminishing Windows Phone sales and models.
>Seventhly, HTC is the other big Windows Phone maker? They are expressly witnessing a declining market share in China right now, this Spring.

Samsung is a smartphone?
Does samsung or Android has anything to do with WP7 vs. iPhone in Chine?

I think that you are not only dumb, but stoned.

P

If Microsoft is going to buy Nokia other companies will stop selling WP phones if Microsoft is selling WP. They need to give it away for free to keep other mobile device vendors.

This isn't going to happen and I think the Microsoft likes the position it is in now.

Daniel

Nokia seems to have axed Skype support for the Lumia 610, because of "user experience was not up to par". http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/nokia-skype-lumia-610/

Any thoughts on that, Tomi?

sve

Nokia axes Skype client on Lumia 610, claims user experience wasn't 'up to par' http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/nokia-skype-lumia-610

Probably means the 610 hardware/software was underpowered.

PeterElgin

@CN,

nokia lumia 800c is completely out of favor of China Telecom. it is far away from top 10 sold phones on China Telecom.

from low range to high end phones, you won't be able to see any nokia phones.

that's the fact, go read it :
http://chinatelecom.hicdma.com/

PeterElgin

@sve,

even from PC laptop users point of view, an app that requires 500MB SDRAM is unacceptable. that indicates skype becomes a bloatware after MS took it over. software talents have all left as long as idiots continue sitting as top management.

QtFan

@PeterElgin
Hahaha, I could find Lumia 800C only using search. It has a total 5(3 black/2 cyan) reviews! It costs 3600yuan(569.41 USD)!

Where the f*** did they manage to pull 7% from? Is it percentage of chinese Nokia employees that use Lumia?

Eduardo

Tomi, yes, John S. Pope and Nokia in general are following a classic Microsoft propaganda/big lie/astroturf campaign. However, the situation is different. Microsoft would use it in a position of monopoly strength to crush potential rivals. Nokia is instead launching it in a desperate position of failure. I mean, if the Luminas had gotten good reviews and were selling well, then there would be no need for all these lies.

I feel sorry for Nokia employees. They must be aware of how bad things are going. Even Elop and his Microsoft mafia are aware that things are going far worse than they predicted. Just because a CEO says prospects are good doesn't mean he really believes it.

My guess is that Elop told Pope he had to become an evil propagandist or he would be fired. It wouldn't surprise me if he quit as soon as he found a job elsewhere.

And speaking of Elop, who is going to want to hire him after he has directed the worst corporate collapse in history? Oh, I forgot, maybe Microsoft will hire him back.

jcamdr

For information:

100 Most Valuable Brands: Apple Tops Again; Nokia Disappears

http://allthingsd.com/20120522/100-most-valuable-brands-apple-tops-again-nokia-disappears/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker

"""
Nokia, which ranked 81st in brand value in Millward Brown’s 2011 study after a 28 percent year-over-year decline in value, fell even further in 2012. So far, in fact, that it seems to have fallen right off the chart. Not a surprise, really, given the company’s current situation. But worth noting just the same; as recently as 2008, Nokia was the world’s ninth most valuable brand.
"""

Regards, JC

Eurofan

Eduardo: I agree but think too that the reason for the campaign is also to prolong Elop's tenure at Nokia. All the lies will come out every quarter when numbers are published and annually at stockholders' meeting so there is really no point other than to pretend longer that Elop's plans for Nokia make sense until he can do maximum damage to Meego/Linux open OS in the handheld space. I now think the whole point was to crush Meego/non-Google Linux as a viable OS to make room for WP -- and of course to use Nokia marketing muscle to help promote WP. I think MS will settle for killing Meego and this is what Elop is obviously bent on doing, the dork. Otherwise, what is the point of lying about things which will become clear in a few months, quarter after quarter, other than to prolong the agony for old Nokia? I too feel sorry for Nokia employees. Nobody deserves such a fickle employer as would turn over the reigns to Boston Chicken's ex CIO. He helped them go public and then go bankrupt. Nothing changes.

Eurofan

http://www.businessweek.com/1996/43/b3498139.htm

http://www.delibusiness.com/Attachments/bostonmarket9-98.pdf

two good articles, one two years before Bankruptcy, one directly after, both from trade objective trade magazines. Elop was CIO from going public to months before bankruptcy.

harry113

@Tomifan

Why doesn't Mr. Pope just simple prove whats wrong with Tomi Ahonen's statements? Tomi makes at least 100 statements in every blogentry - I mean they impossible all can't be true?! All Mr. Pope must say is, Look here are the salesdata here and there is this video from there - this is therefore not true, etc. From reading this blog Tomi Ahonen sure has a strong opinion about this industry, but he shows numbers, research which cleary indicates he is telling the truth - while Mr. Pope just make bla bla bla. Which *is* quite sad.

@all

And it really doesn't matter if there is an Skype boycott or WP boycott or not - the numbers speaks for themselves. Nokia (as is) is a dead man walking! Nobody in theire right mind would now pay for a non upgradeable WPhone, when at fall the new WP8 will be released. Talk about a second Elop-effect!

togga

@PeterElgin @QtFan
If you look at the bottom right, it's actually nr2 on the "sales chart" (google translated).

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cn&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fchinatelecom.hicdma.com%2F

It must be the Nokia Army recruiting and stockpiling... "Latest Lively" doesn't show any Lumia.

Prakriti

@BjarneH: well said about enterprise market and best products-- and this not being viable when selling to consumers.

and about N9 being a timeless solution.

lets see though which way the wind blows... today I read Nokia World will be much smaller this year... and held in Finland and separate sessions instead of one big event.

What shocks and disgusts me the most is the passiveness and incompetence of the board of directors... they are just playing along like lambs to the slaughter.

maybe Jorma is deluded-- but are all the others drunk or do they have their heads buried in sand ???

Prakriti

what you need is a Finnish Muntadhar al-Zaidi... to raise the temperature and create talk and discussion.

remember the Iraqi journalist who-- first shouted at George Bush for waging a war on false pretexts that killed innocents, created widows and orphans--- then threw his shoes at George Bush???

His career was ruined... and he spent 2 years in jail and suffered and got his teeth broken-- but he had more guts than any of the Nokia VPs and anyone in the Nokia Board of Directors... because he called the Emperor Naked.

Being from a different culture; I cant understand thousands of laid-off employees are just silent... not giving a damn about their company's future...

BigJohn

Mr. Pope needs to soon worry more about finding a new company and a new job than about claims about his former boss.

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Peter

TomiFan,

Have you looked at Q&A for Nokia Q12012 conference call ?

Analysts have asked a couple of critical questions which Elop either answered with off-topic stuffs or answered with "I am still learning and adjust based on changes".

Does nokia need to hire a still learning CEO after 16 months in charge ?

Re-read those transcripts before to take any excuse for your criminal boss Steven Elop.

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