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January 30, 2012



that's also explained why nokia has not waged patent war against Android. With 10,000 wireless patent in hand, nokia has done nothing. oh, yeah, granting license to mcrosoft for free, delivered thousands of key patents to candian company for free. hired a verizon ex-vice president sitting there gettting huge compensation for doing nothing, things can go on and on with no end.

oh yeah, hried ex-microsft marketing person Chris Web to stop selling of symbian phones and services to US consumer in Augs. when there is nothing to sell. Hey even nowadays, symbian smartphiones sold in US by third party exceeds Windows Phone 7.5.



@Peter : Nokia has nothing to do with FBI/CIA; if the latter want to spy the end-user, they just have to ask providers, that's it.

Then, if there is a need to check the content of a cellphone, any US DHS agent is allowed to take it, copy any data, and give it back to its owner only after anything has been checked (ie if data is encrypted, they'll give it back only after all data has been deciphered, whatever it takes), but most of time, they don't even need it and can access remotely.


vladkr ,

How about the location via GPS ? Carriers can not track end users from symbian and meego but do from Android and iOS.




That information for Qt5 is definitely out-dated, and Maemo / MeeGo won't be officially supported. More up-to-date information can be found here:


well, I must say that this blog contains no longer interesting and informative story but just jokes, anti-elop propaganda and full of conspiracy theories.

Sent from my Windows Phone



When your mission is uncovered, you always cover it with conspiracy theory or anti-semic if you go further.

But truth is truth. $160B loss of nokia investors is written on the wall. It is not because of wrong investment decision but Wall Street wants to rob their money via Steven Elop's criminal hand.

thats it.




Don't QT support MeeGO?? I think it does ;)


Baron95 ,

keep distorting.

NavTeq is only jem left in Nokia.

Google doesn't have maps data, nor apple does.

Wall Street want to steal it from nokia for free.

Steven Elop said in 2/11, Samsung/Htc can use nokis maps(maps data + voice prompt turn-by-turn) for free via WP7.5.

Now he fire-sold location based service for FREE.

WHen both Google and Apple want NavTeq's data for exponential grwoing location based service, nokia is in upper hand in market.

However the crimal CEO of nokia want to DUMP it for free.

Tomi can raise serious questions but only I can find the reason.

Steven Elop is not micorosft Trojan Horse but Wall Street on mission to destory nokia from inside.

Thats it.


Jonathan Lundén

OT, so Tomi will probably burn this, but still interesting to him. He's quoted as an authority in a Slashdot story about about the Nokia/WP fail. And by and large the by far most technically sophisticated community on the internet seems to agree that wp is stillborn.


Jonathan Lundén ,

yes, sir, WP7.5 is still born after nokia goes BK. that's it.



OIL and IT, two areas that makes US go to war. OIL can't be taken by economic war. There you need weapons. IT is simpler, if investors and the government work together they are able to defend US interest in the very important IT sector.

Buy nokia shares, insert a trojan. Sell shares and let the trojan do the job.



How do you value it at $2B ?

Given explosive growing of smarter phone/super phones, consumers are more and more dependent on location service from nokia 's map data.

if it worths $8B 4 years ago, it worth $16B or more today.

and nokia could let google/apple/microsoft to bid for it.

instead, Elop is going to fire-sale it because he is the Wall Street Trojan to destroy nokia from inside.

He has accomplished it 90%.

The only thing left is how to sell NavTeq fro free.


Tomi T Ahonen

Hi vladkr, cygnus, Alex

Vladkr - yes, very good points. When he took over Juniper & Macromedia, rather than try to fix the troubled company, he set it up for sale. This seems to be his speciality and he seems to be up to the same tricks at Nokia

cygnus - ouch! Thanks for update on Qt. Yes he is on a mission

and on the maps side, interesting, I didn't notice that timing, I remember the change of the terms of the license yes. That sounds like very obvious action and reaction. I think we will see the same as Nokia now proceeds to sue its former partners (via proxy) with the patent trolls - which they will sooner or later countersue Nokia. More litigation, something Microsoft cherishes and Nokia of old had tried very hard to avoid.

Alex - good point my friend. I have noticed the very same curious phenomenon with some sites that I quite regularly follow. There seems to be a kind of 'ostrich' behavior of refusing to face facts, and going with the PR spin of Nokia HQ. Shame.

Tomi Ahonen :-)


You can unravel Elop's seemingly irrational moves by using this one metric - follow the money. He's running Nokia to extract maximum financial value as quickly as possible - not worrying about the longterm. Sell off any assets at the peak of their apparent value to others. Outsource as much as possible to convert all in-house overhead into expensed line items.

These tactics convert financial asset classes that require a lot of management and people resources to another financial asset class - cash - that requires much less management resources. All the company financial performance ratios improve as a result.

Henry Sinn

This can't be 'real'.

Microsoft Muppet Conspiracy...

I think so.!/henrysinn/status/36026632862957568


I hope the support for Maemo/MeeGo stays current. clearly says Tier 1 support both for Meego/Desktop and Maemo/Mobile.

And (QT5 Roadmap) supports the "linux-arm7-gcc-wayland" platform as Tier1 - that's the technology behind Harmattan and most likely Meltemi as well.

As for Elop, he was brought in to solve Execution. And yes, Nokia has been executing on rails. Creating the N9 in one year (9 months of development + 2 of emergency bugfixing, according to Konttori's blog) - almost unheard of at any phone company, usually it takes two years. Building a mixed/outsourced relationship with Compal to create the frankensteins called Lumia out of cases, screens and cameras bought by Nokia and boards, antennas and batteries by Compal, in six months? And 3 of them? Also great performance.

The problem is that Elop decided that HE wanted to go on his own rail track - but the rails end at a canyon, like in Back to the Future III.


About maps.

There are many truths there. And many lies.

When NavTeq changed the license Google had no choice but to follow - because back then it had no maps! Google does not like to be vulnerable thus it solved the problem in very comprehensive way.
Solution one: - as you can see Google buys maps from many companies, but NavTeq/Nokia is NOT among them.
Solution two:,-122.432156&spn=0.046825,0.104628&t=m&z=14 - if you'll take a look on the bottom right corner you'll see that there are exactly ONE provider of US map data: Google. If you'll move viewpoint you may see Europa Technologies (worldwide data provider) and INEGI (Mexico) - but these are not for US. Clearly Google either created map itself or may be the mapping data was created by someone specifically for Google. And US is large (and important) country - if Google can map the US it can do the same in other places.

Conclusion: NavTeq does have some value, but these 8B, 16B, 120B - are pure fantasy. Google already abandoned NavTeq and it has technology (either in house or rented) to create maps for the whole world if needed.


khim ,

the truth is google switched to telenav map data right after nokia bought navteq.

google has to pay telenav for using its data.

the cost is increasing exponentially.

google marks its map data as google recently doesn't mean it owns the maps data.

it is purely marketing measure.



Baron95 ,

thats exactly what I predicted about the next move of Steven Elop: sell navteq for free while it worths $16B+ today.

Stop selling or developing meego n9 doesn't mean n9 is not good, verified with consumers. same thing cut development network doesn't mean there is no market demanding. Steven Elop did excatly oppositive things because he is Wall Street Trojan Horse to dismantle nokia from indise.



Baron95 ,

If you count $50 for every smart phones nokia sold for navteq maps (free nokia drive), it is $1B net revenue/quater or $4B annually. Plus revenue from car industry, microsoft bing maps and other internet usage.

Its yearly revenue is well above $6B. Its net income comes at $3B yearly if managed well.

Saying Navteq generates negative profit is completely bullshit and cheating.



Baron95 ,

Google paid to NavTeq for years for its till nokia bought out Navteq.

Google switched to Telenav and paid for using Telenav in

Keep in mind, global maps data takes more than 10 years to get all data done correctly and needs to update quarterly.

I don't think google can create its own maps data within one year except stealing it from TeleNav or NavTeq directly. Oh, yeah, given google's connection with FBI/CIA, it might use US military maps data for free. That's just another kind of stealing from US tax Payers.




You are not the only one. Especially after counting posts deleted

And for Tomi to call you on personal attack issues as breakin the rules... Oh my...


I think Tomi should remove "Nokia" as one of his reference client list or at least write former client list.

I believe that he was so disappointed once Nokia doesn't need his service anymore especially in Elop's time as CEO. Otherwise he won't write such story (many times).

Is it true Tomi? Let's be honest...


Mr. Ahonen, we are still waiting your comments - was your Elop bashing of claimed selling mobile ad business justified or not?

Tomi, are you really really sure, that you have the right info?

Please check the following link:

It starts as:
"Matchbin, a leading provider of content management, advertising and local marketplace solutions for media companies, has acquired NAVTEQ’s Radio and Television Advertising Group, which as part of NAVTEQ Media Solutions provides content and advertising solutions for broadcast radio and television, forming Radiate Media, a next generation media technology services company."

I can't stress enough words "radio" and "television". Nobody is mentioning that also the mobile division would have been sold?

And the news itself is pretty old, dated Oct 14 2011. I guess we can all agree, that those aren't the core areas of Nokia business?

As far as I know, Nokia still has the mobile advertizing network called LocationPoint, which came to Nokia through Navteq acquisition.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

"I have noticed the very same curious phenomenon with some sites that I quite regularly follow. There seems to be a kind of 'ostrich' behavior of refusing to face facts"

It seems to be, that I also know one site which seems to fit perfectly into the description you wrote! I hope you find time to comment this...


@Peter: Google switched to Telenav and paid for using Telenav in

Well, small correction: s/Telenav/Tele Atlas/ (as see here: )

Here is example of Tele Atlas-provided data on Google Maps:,125.662651&spn=0.234093,0.41851&t=m&z=12 . Not very impressive :-)

@Peter: Keep in mind, global maps data takes more than 10 years to get all data done correctly and needs to update quarterly.

Sure, but the cost of doing it does not grow all that much over time (it may even go down if you'll automate more). And if all sellers play "we are unique, you'll pay what we say" then it's cheaper to create an expertise in house (or subcontract it). Apparently this is what Google is doing.

@Peter: I don't think google can create its own maps data within one year except stealing it from TeleNav or NavTeq directly.

Also very true. This explains the fact that Nokia bought NavTeq in 2007 and TomTom bought Tele Atlas in 2007 yet Google (c) is only just starting appear on Google maps today and still only cover some countries.

@Peter: Oh, yeah, given google's connection with FBI/CIA, it might use US military maps data for free.

Stop looking for conspiracy where nothing exist. Here is another place marked (C) Google on the map:,79.954376&spn=0.23516,0.41851&t=m&z=12

Compare it with NavTeq data:

@Baron95: Google does not pay a single cent to NavTeq or Telenav/TomTom.

Actually TomTom owns Tele Altas, not Telenav and Tele Altas figures pretty prominently in the list of data providers as shown here . But if you'll try to investigate Google map itself then you'll see that Google tries to reduce exposure to this data as much as possible: you can mostly find Tele Atlas data in remote areas (where it's obviously not used for navigation).

So it's not QUITE true that Google does not pay a single cent to TomTom, but apparently it does not like to be one-sided partner: it now owns it's own data and while it may want to rent Tele Altas data it does not need to do that for the maps to be usable.

If you want to look for the conspiracy then look for the Bing Maps (which use NavTeq everywhere). As you say: to create a good maps you need a lot of time on your hands and apparently Microsoft have not done that. And thus it needs to bring price of NavTeq maps down. What to do, what to do... think about it :-)

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