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July 09, 2009

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Russell Buckley

Yes, Tomi, you're right. And I speak as someone who has been there and done that in 2000/1 - thus too early to benefit from your excellent advice.

We launched ZagMe as an opt-in service in two malls in the UK - Lakeside and Bluewater. The idea was that people registered (including age and gender for targeting) and signed in on the day too, so we couldn't be accused of spamming in any way.

We signed up 85,000 consumers, ran 1500 campaigns and even signed a new round of finance - which collapsed in the post 9/11 fall out.

The main problem we had though wasn't consumer acceptance (actually most of them really loved the idea) but recruiting advertisers. Obviously, we were too early, but even accounting for that, the model was flawed. Sending sms based alerts is too expensive for a start. But the pure logistics of doing this at scale is almost impossible. Even good old Yellow Pages actually only sells to a tiny fraction (less than 1%) of potential customers and their proposition is far simpler than an LBS one.

A further complicating factor is the number of offers you need to fill all the time slots available - if you take a restaurant for example, would need different offers at different times.

Anyway, I wrote a whole White Paper about the lessons of ZagMe, which I'm happy to send free to all readers of Communities Dominate Brands. Just email me at russell AT mobhappy DOT com or tweet DM me @russellbuckley with your email address.

Russell

Peter Cranstone

The reason LBS spam ads fail is because they lack the correct context around who I am. An event based location ad succeeds because there is implied information about Me (e.g. I'm here because I like the event. That's meta data which can be targeted).

Check out JumpTap's recent patent frenzy. They are betting a lot on location/meta data and search. Of course they get their information from the Telco's in return for a revenue share.

Location is all about the meta data.

Romi Parmar

@Peter Cranstone: Exactly. Even better than getting it from the Telco (without express permission!) you could get it from a Mobile Community that has an opted in database and members who are actively looking for somewhere to go and something to buy.

An obvious example of a location based advert that will work is when 2 members of a mobile dating community are looking to meet up for a date they've arranged. Profile tells me they both like Chinese. Location tells me they're in London. Here's the place. Here's the offer. What's not to like?

tiffany & co

It was a very nice idea! Just wanna say thank you for the information you have shared. Just continue writing this kind of post. I will be your loyal reader. Thanks again.

Herve G.

Heh. The 'Minority Report' analogy was indeed what we regarded as a way *NOT* to do things when we first began brainstorming for 01 Pages, our geolocated mobile couponing/advertising platform (www.01pages.com).

This was confirmed later on: most people's first reaction when you mention a service that provides 'ads and coupons on your mobile based on your location' is negative -- along the line of "I don't want my phone to bug me wherever I go".

That's the point where we explain it's the same for us, and why and how we're taking the rather opposite way.

With 01 Pages, we believe in turning the table on the ads/customer relationship by putting the users in charge and control of how, when and where they search and locate the offers that interest them specifically (and not just some shady notion of the 'demographics' to which they allegedly or presumably belong). Our client applications (now available on most major mobile platforms) turn their cell phones into their own search and locate device (find offers only when and where you want them), as well as personal coupon redeeming terminal (barcodes, limited offers, etc). It's all opt-in and on-demand, always.

I must say, Tomi, the more I read about your documented dislike of LBS-based advertising, the more I'm comforted in the rationale and strategy of our own venture.

Tomi T Ahonen

Hi Russell, Peter, Romi and Herve

Thank you all for your comments. I think we all generally agree and I don't really have specific points to add to your comments except to agree with them.

Russell's White Paper is brilliant in its insights, and is a must-read for anyone considering this opportunity.

Peter - JumpTap is a great example yes.

Herve - so too is 01 Pages, where you clearly have prepared your company for the age beyond the wrong LBS model. Good luck and please do tell us how you fare in the market, am most happy to blog about you and your journey into mobile advertising (like Russell with Admob haha, who just got bought up by Google, not a bad way to have a start-up end up, haha, congrats)

Thank you all for the kind words and support

Tomi :-)

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